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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3836 on: December 29, 2020, 06:05:38 PM »


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3837 on: December 31, 2020, 10:58:45 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3838 on: December 31, 2020, 11:32:19 AM »
I'm still struck by the rhetoric around "climate change".  Both sides (and there are sides which in itself is odd to me) engage in hyperbole and massive exaggeration of what will happen.  "We" really don't KNOW for sure.  The models can only be based on what happened up until now.  The single variable impact of increasing CO2 levels on mean temperature is very small.  The rest is "feedback", things like less ice cover meaning a lower albedo and warming, etc.  There are a LOT of variables at play, which is why we have 5 or 6 major models, all predicting roughly the same end result, but using rather different parameters to get there, and those parameters get adjusted to better fit what has happened over the last century.

And it's difficult to measure mean global temperatures.  The satellite readings apparently are not useful.  Ideally, one would have a weather station every 100 miles or so outside "heat islands" and collect the data, but we never have had that.  We get adjustments to readings for heat island effects, because most weather reports are from urban areas.  Nobody really knows how much heat the oceans are sucking up because a very very small change in temperature there would be an enormous amount of heat.

And then there of course is the practicable matter that there isn't much we can do but reduce projected changes by tenths of a degree, at best.  China and India won't be helping that obviously.  The US might reduce any increase by a tenth or so with GREAT effort and expense.  It doesn't look good if the models are close to being right.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3839 on: January 08, 2021, 01:52:18 PM »
Climate action: How Biden can save our children | TheHill

Just what we need, another "call to action", with nary a specific in it.

This is another clue how this problem really has no viable solution if the models are right.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3840 on: January 08, 2021, 02:07:21 PM »
if there's no viable solution in the article, how can they be sure that Biden can save our children???
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3841 on: January 08, 2021, 03:05:34 PM »
Just verbiage to sound worthy and say nothing.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3842 on: January 08, 2021, 03:23:11 PM »
Just verbiage to sound worthy and say nothing.

Oh, you mean politician-speak.  Yup.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3843 on: January 08, 2021, 04:18:55 PM »
All they want is that somebody commits to doing something. Doesn't matter if it's going to fix the problem. But it'll look like they care. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3844 on: January 08, 2021, 04:34:05 PM »
commit to spending boatloads of $$$

won't save our children, but Biden's children and grandchildren will be safe
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3845 on: January 10, 2021, 12:43:41 PM »
Looks like its snowing in Austin

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3846 on: January 10, 2021, 12:55:13 PM »
This is an ideal political issue, adopted by many who couldn't write a sensible paragraph describing the concept.  It allows governments to spend money on "stuff" that often may feather the beds of their supporters while decrying "deniers" as being disbelievers in "science".

I've had a few discussions in person with folks of this ilk who spouted all sorts of complete nonsense based on what they remember from the Al Gore movie, as if that is some kind of source of rational technical information.

I'm not a denier myself, but I have delved into the details in my spare time, and the picture is very gloomy if the models are roughly correct.  We're going to spend vast sums globally for perhaps a tenth of a degree reduction in the trends.  Perhaps.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3847 on: January 10, 2021, 01:03:38 PM »
There are many different types of "deniers," on different topics, from different places on the political spectrum.

We've got people who deny that climate change is occurring and that human activity could be partly to blame.

And we've got other people who deny that there are profound differences between men and women other beyond genitalia.

We all look for evidence that supports the viewpoint most consistent with our overall view of the world.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3848 on: January 10, 2021, 01:05:13 PM »
Yup, form an opinion first and the seek "facts" to confirm it, and disregard "facts" contrary to that position.

Confirmation bias.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3849 on: January 10, 2021, 01:35:03 PM »
Looks like its snowing in Austin

utee report in please
snow in the Dallas area, my brother sent a video for proof

we might see rain again here in NW Iowa this week
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