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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3318 on: August 17, 2020, 10:12:42 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 17, 2020, 11:49:19 AM
I don't know why gender is such a fight for so many people.

I view someone's gender the same way I view someone's religion. I generally find it impolite to ask about it, but if offer the information, I accept their answer as their truth because it doesn't really affect me in any way. . . .
For me, it's not a fight.
But I'd like to see "the Left" acknowledge that beliefs about "gender" based on nothing more than one's feelings about oneself are no more scientifically based than those of people who deny that there is anthropogenic climate change.

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It may break your daughter's heart when she finishes 4th in the 100 meters behind three boys identifying as girls.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3319 on: August 18, 2020, 02:04:49 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 17, 2020, 11:53:29 AM
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I get that there are some sticky situations on gender, like who can play what sports and whatnot.  But for the most part who gives a f***


By being dismissive about science that you find politically inconvenient, you are sort of proving my point. 

Someone could just as easily say "a half a degree Celsius over the course of my lifetime? Who gives a f***" 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3320 on: August 18, 2020, 02:07:51 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 18, 2020, 02:04:49 PM

By being dismissive about science that you find politically inconvenient, you are sort of proving my point.

Someone could just as easily say "a half a degree Celsius over the course of my lifetime? Who gives a f***"
I'm not being dismissive of any science. I like biology so much I got my undergrad degree in it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3321 on: August 18, 2020, 02:24:19 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2020, 02:07:51 PM
I'm not being dismissive of any science. I like biology so much I got my undergrad degree in it.

How many genders are there? 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3322 on: August 18, 2020, 06:41:34 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 18, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
How many genders are there?
Depends on how you want to categorize them.  By chromosome?  Plenty.  XX and XY are the standard, but X, XXX, XXXX, XXY, XXXY, XYY, and well you can see how that goes.  By how your genitals look?  You are going to get more variety there.  By how you dress and act?  Even more variety still.  Science is good at looking at what something is, it's not really a wonderful tool for putting things and people into categories.

And frankly, I don't want to be insulting.  Boys and girls works for most people. My only point is that some people don't fit neatly into these categories.  This isn't liberal hooey, it's a scientific fact.  The genetics and development of people isn't some simple path - there's a lot that goes into it and a lot that can go in a different direction.  If someone has a congenital heart defect we don't pretend like their heart doesn't exist or it's something they should just power through.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3323 on: August 18, 2020, 07:07:42 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2020, 06:41:34 PM
Depends on how you want to categorize them.  By chromosome?  Plenty.  XX and XY are the standard, but X, XXX, XXXX, XXY, XXXY, XYY, and well you can see how that goes.  By how your genitals look?  You are going to get more variety there.  By how you dress and act?  Even more variety still.  Science is good at looking at what something is, it's not really a wonderful tool for putting things and people into categories.

And frankly, I don't want to be insulting.  Boys and girls works for most people. My only point is that some people don't fit neatly into these categories.  This isn't liberal hooey, it's a scientific fact.  The genetics and development of people isn't some simple path - there's a lot that goes into it and a lot that can go in a different direction.  If someone has a congenital heart defect we don't pretend like their heart doesn't exist or it's something they should just power through.


Person X is born XY, with the corresponding anatomy, but "identifies" as female. 

What gender do "YOU" consider Person X to be?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3324 on: August 18, 2020, 07:31:24 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 18, 2020, 07:07:42 PM

Person X is born XY, with the corresponding anatomy, but "identifies" as female.

What gender do "YOU" consider Person X to be?
If she says she'd like to be treated as a female I'd treat her as a female
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3325 on: August 18, 2020, 09:58:29 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 18, 2020, 07:07:42 PM

Person X is born XY, with the corresponding anatomy, but "identifies" as female.

What gender do "YOU" consider Person X to be?
Whatever he or she says. I have no skin in the game. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3326 on: August 18, 2020, 10:55:54 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2020, 07:31:24 PM
If she says she'd like to be treated as a female I'd treat her as a female

So you would deny science in favor of politics. 

Got it, thanks. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3327 on: August 18, 2020, 10:58:07 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 18, 2020, 09:58:29 PM
Whatever he or she says. I have no skin in the game.

Another vote for politics over biology. 

Thanks for the honest input, fellas. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3328 on: August 19, 2020, 06:54:58 AM »
It's not about denying "science", it's merely a personal opinion as to how one would treat another.

If a person says they identify as a potato, I'd treat them accordingly.  Actually, I would avoid them, so I'd treat them not at all.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3329 on: August 19, 2020, 06:58:44 AM »
Here would be the outline sketch of a "PLAN", in part.

Goal:  To replace nearly every coal fired generating plant in the US by 2035.
Problem:  Many of these plants have sunk capital not yet amortized, e.g., it cost money to shut them down, and more money to replace them.
Approach:  Add a "carbon tax" or whatever to coal to raise revenue devoted to this aim.  It wouldn't be all that high I suspect.
The newer coal fired plants would get "paid off" with said tax, the older one would get replaced normally.

Replacement would be with nuclear, NG, wind, solar, whatever, at the choice of the utility and how they can manage intermittent power (or not).

Benefit:  No more coal burning gases in our air locally, reduction in CO2 emissions, impact in global warming would be 0.001°C by 2050, more or less.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3330 on: August 19, 2020, 07:10:28 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 18, 2020, 10:55:54 PM
So you would deny science in favor of politics.

Got it, thanks.
Not sure what science I'm denying.  The logic here seems to be sexual reproduction is required to have a baby, and that requires a man and a woman, and therefore gay people don't exist.  Boom science.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3331 on: August 19, 2020, 07:18:00 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 19, 2020, 06:54:58 AM
It's not about denying "science", it's merely a personal opinion as to how one would treat another.

If a person says they identify as a potato, I'd treat them accordingly.  Actually, I would avoid them, so I'd treat them not at all.
Well then they'd have to use a Lavatory's that were labeled as "?" or sumsuch.I would think many fathers would have a huge problem these indidviduals to use the same facility as their grade school daughters.Just based on the % of creeps who would infiltrate something they would view as an opportunity - IMO
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