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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2800 on: May 19, 2020, 01:07:24 PM »
I would say government does a half decent job perhaps 25% of the time.  Maybe.  I'm being generous.

I see repeated corruption especially at the city level when the mayor's wife for example "runs a charity" which gets large donations from the folks how get the garbage contract owned by the mayor's cousin.
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« Reply #2801 on: May 19, 2020, 01:09:41 PM »
Believe private contactors did most the work on the house lots.Either way i'm not sure it was always shady inspectors as not enough of them were employed with the amount of building going on
Private contractors (almost) always do the actual construction. 

The government hires (very expensive) consultants to do the design. Those big firms mostly suck, kinda like big government sucks.
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« Reply #2802 on: May 19, 2020, 01:10:32 PM »
OK. So are millennials part of a trend of a drop in hardworking-ness and taking responsibility. Like they do it less than your generation, which did it less than the previous generation and so on and so forth? Or are most generations about at the same level, and millennials just took a dip?
Heh!  You're like a dog with a bone on this.
Here's my point, and I didn't make it with the intent of starting a debate about millennials: Millennials may have 2-points higher IQ than their parents do, but IQ is not the most important thing in the world, and they should learn that.
However, in general, I think that we have become less-hard-working, less resilient, and less willing to stick to difficult tasks after initial disappointment.
I've taught AP U.S. History to high school students for 11 of the past 13 years, and that is a general trend that seems evident to me.  It's most evident when increasing numbers switch out of the course after they get a "C" on the first exam.  Most of my fellow teachers seem to think the same.  We all at least think we see the growing problem of parents protecting their children from failure.  They've gone beyond the stereotype of "helicopter parents"; now we have "bulldozer parents."
And obviously I'm not talking about millennials here.
What are the post-millennials called?  Post-Millennials?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2803 on: May 19, 2020, 01:13:24 PM »
Obviously this is subjective, but the US could certainly become a less corrupt and more effective government. Of course, it's easier for that to be the case with smaller countries, but getting back to the levels of Canada would be an improvement....

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2019/results/table
https://govdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/h580f9aa5?country=BRA&indicator=388&viz=line_chart&years=1996,2018
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« Reply #2804 on: May 19, 2020, 01:17:31 PM »
Yep.  99+% of the time our government actually does a pretty decent job.  But that 1% gets a lot of attention.*

*Disclaimer - I pulled this 99% figure out of my butt.  But certainly the vast majority of the time they do a good job.  Some may disagree, but I rarely have seen data to support that position.
Heh!  I'd say 50% on a good day.  And I've got just as much data to support my position as you do yours.  :)
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2805 on: May 19, 2020, 01:18:52 PM »
I would say government does a half decent job perhaps 25% of the time.  Maybe.  I'm being generous.

I see repeated corruption especially at the city level when the mayor's wife for example "runs a charity" which gets large donations from the folks how get the garbage contract owned by the mayor's cousin.
Teachers are government.  Most of them do a good job.
Ditto with police officers, fire fighters, military, etc. etc. etc.

Care to recalculate your "half decent" 25% number?

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« Reply #2806 on: May 19, 2020, 01:36:07 PM »
Heh!  I'd say 50% on a good day.  And I've got just as much data to support my position as you do yours.  :)
50% is easily debunked.

I have data.

Let's do local and state first:
7 million public education workers in the US.
2.4 million protective service workers.
2 million higher education workers
about 1 million library workers
about 1 million transportation workers
about a half million public utilities workers
--and millions more.

Now Federal:



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« Reply #2807 on: May 19, 2020, 01:43:44 PM »
Yeah, if I include the teachers in my experience, I would have to drop my 25% down to 15%, good point.

I remember tutoring future teachers when I was in school in Astronomy.  My impression is they wanted to be teachers because they couldn't do much else.

They were cute though.

My Marine friends tell story after story of the general stupidity of the military.  They will stick up for each other despite calling each other rather vile names at times.  It's entertaining.

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« Reply #2808 on: May 19, 2020, 01:46:01 PM »
Yeah, if I include the teachers in my experience, I would have to drop my 25% down to 15%, good point.

I remember tutoring future teachers when I was in school in Astronomy.  My impression is they wanted to be teachers because they couldn't do much else.

They were cute though.

My Marine friends tell story after story of the general stupidity of the military.  They will stick up for each other despite calling each other rather vile names at times.  It's entertaining.
As does my Marine son. He went in wanting to make a career of it, and he could have. Just couldn't take the BS parts of it.
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« Reply #2809 on: May 19, 2020, 01:52:02 PM »
Teachers are government.  Most of them do a good job.
Ditto with police officers, fire fighters, military, etc. etc. etc.

Care to recalculate your "half decent" 25% number?
Your post was to CD, but I'll add my $0.02.

I spent 20 years in the U.S. Army and I just finished my 21st year in public education.
I'll stick with my "50% on a good day."
At least the armed forces have to demonstrate every once in a while that they can fight a war (although lately they haven't had to demonstrate that they can win one).

Public schools seldom have to demonstrate that they are doing a good job in anything other than athletics.  When the voters get fed up, and statewide testing is imposed to see how the schools are doing, the public education lobby--made up of the district superintendents, school boards, teachers' unions, and the state education department--work to undermine confidence in the testing to the point that the testing regimen is soon diluted into meaninglessness.

In addition, I have never seen official letters, policies, announcements, etc., so illiterate as the ones I have seen in public education.  Here's the tiniest of examples.  Our school busses carry the inspirational exhortation, "GO [TEAM NAME]!"  With no comma after "GO."  I have pointed this out, but even the English teachers don't care, much less the administration.  So our busses drive around town advertising the fact that we don't care enough to properly punctuate a simple 3-word imperative.
Of course, I must concede that Disney did something like this with Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

For reference, I teach in a high school that is in the top 5% of public high schools in the state.  Statewide, there are 100 students each year named to the Academic All-State list.  We have three of those students this year, and that's a normal number for us.  In my 13 years at this school, we have had between two and four every year.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2810 on: May 19, 2020, 01:53:56 PM »
How would anyone here rate Amtrack for "goodness"?  Maybe the Acela line is decent.  The FDA?  The PTO?  The EPA?  OSHA?  The DoD?  The DoEd and DoEnergy?

How about the gasohol program I mentioned previously?  The CDC here recently botched a rather time critical test, and they have/had a pretty good rep.  As I think of Federal agencies in my experience, I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling.  I could mention the various National Labs again with whom I had dealings.  I got friendly with several of the scientists at Sandia and Los Alamos.  They had almost complete freedom to work on anything they wanted, there was no real oversight or accountability.  They couldn't be fired.  They all had stories of "Joe" who almost never even came to work but didn't get fired.

I'm thinking I'm being too optimistic with my adjusted percentage, and it won't go up.

I won't even mention Congress and the Administration .... well, there I did it again.

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« Reply #2811 on: May 19, 2020, 01:56:45 PM »
50% is easily debunked.

I have data.

Let's do local and state first:
7 million public education workers in the US.
2.4 million protective service workers.
2 million higher education workers
about 1 million library workers
about 1 million transportation workers
about a half million public utilities workers
--and millions more.

Now Federal:


[img width=500 height=332.983]https://i.imgur.com/mfUVgdn.jpg[/img]
That doesn't debunk anything.  It just shows how many public employees we have, not whether they are doing good work.  If anything, it might raise questions about whether or not we're getting our money's worth.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2812 on: May 19, 2020, 02:00:08 PM »
Well, he does have data.  I know don't know what it means in terms of efficiency, but it is data.  Perhaps for some large numbers= efficiency.

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« Reply #2813 on: May 19, 2020, 02:02:59 PM »
How would anyone here rate Amtrack for "goodness"?  Maybe the Acela line is decent.  The FDA?  The PTO?  The EPA?  OSHA?  The DoD?  The DoEd and DoEnergy?

How about the gasohol program I mentioned previously?  The CDC here recently botched a rather time critical test, and they have/had a pretty good rep.  As I think of Federal agencies in my experience, I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling.  I could mention the various National Labs again with whom I had dealings.  I got friendly with several of the scientists at Sandia and Los Alamos.  They had almost complete freedom to work on anything they wanted, there was no real oversight or accountability.  They couldn't be fired.  They all had stories of "Joe" who almost never even came to work but didn't get fired.

I'm thinking I'm being too optimistic with my adjusted percentage, and it won't go up.

I won't even mention Congress and the Administration .... well, there I did it again.
Heh!  The guy who taught AP U.S. History before I did was a young guy named Joe.  He drove a Chrysler 300, which in 2007 was a pretty cool car if you like domestic 4-door sedans.  About twice a week he didn't make it to his first class on time.  And I'm not saying that he was 5 minutes late.  It was more like 45 minutes.  His students had a 0% pass rate on the AP Exam.  He did get let go at the end of the year, so there was that.
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