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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2184 on: April 23, 2020, 02:46:15 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on April 23, 2020, 12:56:26 PM
Well that's because from like 1870-1930 Logger barons were lifting landscapes like scalps
The deforestation of America east of the Mississippi didn't start with logger barons.  It was good old American settlers clearing land so they could plant their crops.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2185 on: April 23, 2020, 02:50:34 PM »
Most major cities and especially college towns have climate plans. If you just search the city and climate or "clean energy" you'll probably find it. I don't think anyone has really combined it into one place, though.

I found this pretty easily for example: https://www.redandblack.com/athensnews/athens-commits-to-a-100-percent-clean-energy-plan-by-2050/article_f22168d6-8a64-11e9-9bef-cbf360adf89f.html

Ann Arbor just updated their's to be carbon-neutral by 2030 https://www.a2zero.org/

Arlington VA and DC are quite aggressive, too.
https://doee.dc.gov/cleanenergydc
https://environment.arlingtonva.us/energy/community-energy-plan-cep/

That said, state level renewable portfolio standards, the wikipedia article appears to be updated on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_portfolio_standards_in_the_United_States
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2186 on: April 23, 2020, 02:56:21 PM »
Those aren't plans at all.  They are aspirations.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2187 on: April 23, 2020, 03:02:51 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 02:56:21 PM
Those aren't plans at all.  They are aspirations.


For RPSs, there are goals and mandates, the second of which requires the states to reach those levels by that year.

The climate plans have requirements, too, and there are penalties for not reaching those requirements. For example. For large buildings in DC that are required to be benchmarked, if they don't sufficient improve their energy efficiency and/or meet the minimum requirements, the building owners will be fined for that.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2188 on: April 23, 2020, 03:05:58 PM »
And none of that answers my three questions, at all, it's aspirational political BS to me.

"Were going to be carbon free by 2050!!!!  YAY!!!!"

And every time I try and concoct a real plan I get very depressed.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2189 on: April 23, 2020, 03:08:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 03:05:58 PM
And none of that answers my three questions, at all, it's aspirational political BS to me.

"Were going to be carbon free by 2050!!!!  YAY!!!!"

And every time I try and concoct a real plan I get very depressed.
If you were to look through the details of many of these plans, they would answer the first two questions. I don't know what else to tell you.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2190 on: April 23, 2020, 03:12:14 PM »
For me, those simply are not real plans.  They are political PR BS.

And of course none of it matters because the "plans" are entirely local.  So, some small town goes carbon free by 2050, if that really happens.  Yay.

Political BS.
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« Reply #2191 on: April 23, 2020, 03:21:59 PM »
I've got a plan.

No racial, ethnic, or religious prejudice in the world by 2050.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2192 on: April 23, 2020, 03:36:07 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on April 23, 2020, 03:21:59 PM
I've got a plan.

No racial, ethnic, or religious prejudice in the world by 2050.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6svOHFSAH8
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2193 on: April 23, 2020, 03:45:02 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 23, 2020, 03:36:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6svOHFSAH8
I try to be tolerant of religious people, but I do think the world would be a better place if Humanism were mainstream. Atheism gets a bad reputation because of its association with Communism.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2194 on: April 23, 2020, 03:54:36 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on April 23, 2020, 02:46:15 PM
The deforestation of America east of the Mississippi didn't start with logger barons.  It was good old American settlers clearing land so they could plant their crops.
Up in Michigan,Wisconscin maybe parts of Minnesota tons of lumber were being transported by rivers and lakes.Ohio was like 96% woodlands when the Europeans arrived.A lot of the state's lands were cleared for farms because of the fertile soil.Some rather large swamps were filled in also for farming
https://www.nrs.fs.fed.us/fmg/nfmg/fm101/eco/p1_historical.html

https://www.mnhs.org/foresthistory/learn/logging
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2195 on: April 23, 2020, 03:57:34 PM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on April 23, 2020, 03:45:02 PM
I try to be tolerant of religious people, but I do think the world would be a better place if Humanism were mainstream. Atheism gets a bad reputation because of its association with Communism.
I wasn't making a religious comment, more along the lines of imagining an impossible dream.

Anyway,  I'm glad that you "try to be tolerant of religious people."  I suppose that I could similarly say "I try to be tolerant of atheists."   *shrug*

It takes all kinds.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2196 on: April 23, 2020, 04:03:11 PM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on April 23, 2020, 03:45:02 PM
I try to be tolerant of religious people, but I do think the world would be a better place if Humanism were mainstream. Atheism gets a bad reputation because of its association with Communism.
Nice of you to be tolerant, Michi.
But we don't have religious toleration built into our system.  It's religious freedom that we have.
I think you're wrong in the opinion you stated.  But the great thing is, you are free to state it without having to worry about people tolerating it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2197 on: April 23, 2020, 04:06:31 PM »
Football is a Religion or so I'm told
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