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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #1974 on:** December 30, 2019, 01:41:21 PM »

FYI, according to a Pentagon report, Britian is predicted to be plunged into a "Siberian" climate in 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting all over the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

Or... At least that's what was predicted in 2004.

I mean, I guess technically they've still got 367 days for it to come true, right?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1975 on:** December 30, 2019, 01:47:32 PM »

There was a fairly short lived theory that the "Atlantic Converor" would shut down due to melting ice water from Greenland. That would stop the flow of warmer water up the North American coast and back down the Europe. Paris is on the same latitude as Montreal but is considerably warmer. Had this happened, it would have caused some major dislocations. Further research into the theory tended to dispel it.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #1976 on:** December 30, 2019, 02:28:38 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 01:47:32 PM

There was a fairly short lived theory that the "Atlantic Converor" would shut down due to melting ice water from Greenland. That would stop the flow of warmer water up the North American coast and back down the Europe. Paris is on the same latitude as Montreal but is considerably warmer. Had this happened, it would have caused some major dislocations. Further research into the theory tended to dispel it.

Yeah, if I remember correctly that was the premise for the movie The Day After Tomorrow. The flow stopped, and it issued in a rapid ice age in the north of the US and Europe.

Sometimes I think it's important to look back on predictions to help us avoid thinking that every new dire prediction is as likely to happen as it's proponents seem to think.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1977 on:** December 30, 2019, 03:22:46 PM »

Scientists will qualify nearly every prediction with qualifiers. This then gets reported in the media without the qualifiers. It's interesting to read the IPCC executive summary, it's not that long, and it contains a lot of qualifiers.

And of course, in science, it is standard to try and consider EVERY possibility and assess its probability. This is an example, my emphasis added:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/slowdown-atlantic-conveyor-belt-could-trigger-two-decades-rapid-global-warming

Recent research has suggested that the AMOC has weakened by around 15% since the middle of the 20th century. This could lead to considerable changes in climate and rainfall patterns throughout the northern hemisphere.

I had this same problem with managers who wanted clear cut assessments, when all I could SUGGEST was some probabilities about what COULD happen.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1978 on:** December 30, 2019, 03:47:27 PM »

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/30/battery-developments-in-the-last-decade-created-a-seismic-shift-that-will-play-out-in-the-next-10-years.html

Interesting on batteries.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1979 on:** December 30, 2019, 03:48:09 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on December 30, 2019, 02:28:38 PM

Sometimes I think it's important to look back on predictions to help us avoid thinking that every new dire prediction is as likely to happen as it's proponents seem to think.

like the demise of north america back in the 70s due to the fire ant and the killer bees?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1980 on:** December 30, 2019, 03:50:48 PM »

A lot of these stories are nothing but media hype. I have come to believe the "news" is more about hype than perspective and facts. It makes sense, if it bleeds it leads etc.

Real news would be boring in comparison.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1981 on:** December 30, 2019, 03:55:55 PM »

those stories were brought to my attention in 7th or 8th grade classrooms

along with the hole in the ozone caused by aerosol cans that was going to burn humans into extinction

utee94 · « **Reply #1982 on:** December 30, 2019, 03:57:10 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 03:48:09 PM

like the demise of north america back in the 70s due to the fire ant and the killer bees?

Killer Bees was the 90s I think.

And Hooky sure loved to go on and on about the fireants. He equated them to Republiucans overrunning the old Democratic Solid South or something. I never was sure how he made that connection, but he sure did bleat on about it.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1983 on:** December 30, 2019, 04:00:32 PM »

you might have been in 7th grade in the 90s

Apis mellifera scutellata, the "Africanized bee," scourge of the '70s; poster for the 1978 movie 'The Swarm.' Source: Wikimedia Commons, IMDB

The killer bees are coming! That's what we heard over and over in the '70s, thanks to the killer bee scare that became a media sensation. Fear about an invasion of killer bees stoked schoolyard debates and inspired disaster movies.

https://groovyhistory.com/killer-bees-1970s

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1984 on:** December 30, 2019, 04:00:48 PM »

I think the ozone hole was a real thing. We largely eliminated CFCs globally, which is a something, though the HCFCs we used as replacements are not perfect.

And the latest I have read suggests the "hole" is shrinking.

There is always a crisis somewhere. If there isn't, there will be film at 11 anyway.

utee94 · « **Reply #1985 on:** December 30, 2019, 04:04:04 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 04:00:32 PM

you might have been in 7th grade in the 90s

Apis mellifera scutellata, the "Africanized bee," scourge of the '70s; poster for the 1978 movie 'The Swarm.' Source: Wikimedia Commons, IMDB

The killer bees are coming! That's what we heard over and over in the '70s, thanks to the killer bee scare that became a media sensation. Fear about an invasion of killer bees stoked schoolyard debates and inspired disaster movies.

https://groovyhistory.com/killer-bees-1970s

Well there you have it. They were coming up from Central America through Mexico right? So Texas was supposed to be among the first hit. Maybe we were overrun by killer bees 40 years ago and they're so smart they somehow hid it from us?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1986 on:** December 30, 2019, 04:07:45 PM »

It turns out that Killer Bees' favorite food is fire ants, but when they eat them they die.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1987 on:** December 30, 2019, 04:11:34 PM »

they internally combust

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