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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1946 on: December 25, 2019, 11:20:13 PM »
It is clearly the cause of other problems.  #1:  money in politics
It's not clear to me at all that income inequality causes "money in politics," whatever you mean by that.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1947 on: December 26, 2019, 07:42:48 AM »
Forecast cloudy and 65°F today and tomorrow here in the ATL.  It's cloudy right now for sure, rain in two days they say.

Weather forecasting is interesting, to me.  I doubt that any ten days out is any better than just using the averages for that day.  The story of how the barometer was devised is interesting.  

http://www.softschools.com/inventions/history/barometer_history/20/


  • Most scientists of his day thought that air had no weight, but Evangelista Torricelli suspected that it did. He worked with tubes filled with mercury (a liquid metal that we now know is dangerous). He found that if he sealed the tubes at one end, the mercury would fall away from the sealed end, but stop at the same level every time. He believed that this showed that there was pressure from the air balancing with the weight of the mercury.
  • A complete theory of how the barometer worked was developed by the French scientist Blaise Pascal. He realized that if air had vertical weight, the pressure would be lower at higher altitudes. In 1646, he asked a relative to carry a barometer up a mountain, and record the mercury height as he went. Sure enough, the mercury level dropped as his relative climbed higher. This proved that air pressure is caused by the vertical weight of air.
  • The first altimeters for airplanes were basically barometers. They determined altitude by measuring the change in air pressure with height.
  • Barometric pressure is higher on sunny days, and low on stormy days. Measuring the change in air pressure that comes along with storm systems is a vital part of weather prediction.

As CW knows well, the "standard" altimeter in a flying machine is indeed just a barometer.  You set it at ground level to whatever the pressure is that day and it's pretty accurate if you don't fly through a front somewhere.  At 17,000 feet, you are at roughly half an atmosphere, at 34,000, a quarter.  Folks today do free climb Mt. Everest, somehow, they have to get up and down in a relative hurry though.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1948 on: December 26, 2019, 07:49:47 AM »
Helium is a useful gas.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/08/news-helium-mri-superconducting-markets-reserve-technology/

The helium market's core currently lurks underneath Amarillo, Texas. Since the 1920s, the town has been home to the Federal Helium Reserve, a massive underground geological formation that acts as the U.S. strategic supply. Amarillo calls itself the Helium Capital of the World; there's a monument to the element in town, a six-story steel spire with a model of a helium atom at its center.

When we run out, we're out, it's not feasible to get more from anywhere but NG wells, in effect.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1949 on: December 26, 2019, 09:39:46 AM »

As CW knows well, the "standard" altimeter in a flying machine is indeed just a barometer.  You set it at ground level to whatever the pressure is that day and it's pretty accurate if you don't fly through a front somewhere.  At 17,000 feet, you are at roughly half an atmosphere, at 34,000, a quarter.  Folks today do free climb Mt. Everest, somehow, they have to get up and down in a relative hurry though.
In flight school, we went into a pressure chamber that took us up above a simulated 22,500 feet.  I'm not sure what level we reached, but I was the last guy to pass out.  I imagine that one can train to do better at altitude, but I can't imagine going to 29,000 feet without oxygen.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1951 on: December 26, 2019, 11:47:55 AM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/mount-everest-fasted-time-climb-kilian-jornet-a7752006.html

Kilian Jornet, who made his first attempt on the mountain in September 2016, reached the summit of the mountain (8,848m), via the north face, following the traditional route in a single climb.

The ascent, which forms part of his Summits of my Life project, is said to be the fastest known climb of the mountain. Reuters said that most climbers take two to three weeks to summit Mount Everest and fewer than 200 people have summited without oxygen.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1952 on: December 26, 2019, 03:12:41 PM »
Helium is a useful gas.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/08/news-helium-mri-superconducting-markets-reserve-technology/

The helium market's core currently lurks underneath Amarillo, Texas. Since the 1920s, the town has been home to the Federal Helium Reserve, a massive underground geological formation that acts as the U.S. strategic supply. Amarillo calls itself the Helium Capital of the World; there's a monument to the element in town, a six-story steel spire with a model of a helium atom at its center.

When we run out, we're out, it's not feasible to get more from anywhere but NG wells, in effect. 
Helium is very useful... It's actually critical to most modern enterprise hard drives. Because helium is so much lighter than air, and as a pure gas, it allows HDD vendors to pack more platters into a specific disk. Many people don't realize it, but the heads inside a hard drive are legitimately flying above the media surface, using the airspeed created by the spinning platters over an air bearing surface to generate lift. 

Normal air is turbulent, but pure helium is much less so. So by filling a drive with helium, higher platter counts and thus higher drive capacities can be achieved.

The problem is that helium is a wily little molecule, and likes to escape from basically anywhere it exists. It can seep through nearly anything. So the process of sealing a drive containing helium such that it will continue to contain helium is non-trivial. I can't really go into the technologies involved in sealing a drive so that the helium can't escape (trade secrets / confidentiality and such), but it's pretty sophisticated.

Older (air) hard drives aren't sealed. They have a filter to keep particulates out, but they equalize to the air pressure around them. This creates a problem... In order to fly, you need a certain density of air. As you go higher in elevation, and the air thins, you can reach a point where hard drives can no longer reliably operate because the air density is too low for their heads to fly at the same distance over the media that they need. Typical air HDDs have a spec of maximum operating elevation of 10,000 ft. 

So... Why am I boring all of you with this? Because here's the fun part.

You recall earlier this year when the first ever image of a black hole was announced? It was a big thing...

Well, helium played a role in that. Many of these major observatories exist about 10,000 ft. Because of the huge amount of data they are storing [coupled with the shoestring budgets that they work under], hard drives are the only storage medium they can use. Well, apparently their drives were dying left and right because of the elevation... Until they started using helium drives. Because helium drives are sealed, they are immune to the elevation changes that would affect air drives. 

This was a pretty exciting thing for my company, being involved in such a major scientific event. It's always fun to tell the kids, who basically have no understanding of what I do, that I can point to something like this and say that while I wasn't involved in any tangible way, it would have been VERY hard for them to accomplish this without our products...

https://blog.westerndigital.com/helium-filled-hdd-black-hole-image/

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1953 on: December 26, 2019, 03:22:22 PM »
I did not know that at all, very interesting, thanks for that info.

Helium is the second most common element in the universe.  Its more trivial uses should probably be limited.

Obviously, it is very important for superconductors.  A decade or so back, we supposedly were on the verge of a superconductor breakthrough to get to room temperature, or at least to dry ice temperatures.  That whole field seemed to just stop (I'm sure it didn't, but the breathless reporting did.)

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« Reply #1954 on: December 26, 2019, 03:32:19 PM »
At the park enjoying this 62 degree day after Christmas

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« Reply #1956 on: December 26, 2019, 05:42:03 PM »
 It's always fun to tell the kids, who basically have no understanding of what I do, that I can point to something like this and say that while I wasn't involved in any tangible way, it would have been VERY hard for them to accomplish this without our products...

https://blog.westerndigital.com/helium-filled-hdd-black-hole-image/

Oh yeah?  Well  because of what *I* do, my kids got this Alienware gaming monitor for Christmas and I didn't have to pay a dime for it!  Who's the cooler dad NOW, huh? 




But seriously, I get it.  Back when I was actually an electrical engineer and not a marketing guy, I was never able to really explain what I did to my wife and family.  And we were doing some cutting edge parallel ion implantation for wafer fabrication at the time.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1957 on: December 26, 2019, 05:59:01 PM »
I was developing specialized low Tg thermoset polymers from high internal phase emulsions.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1958 on: December 26, 2019, 06:36:08 PM »
I was developing specialized low Tg thermoset polymers from high internal phase emulsions.

Great dinner table convos.
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« Reply #1959 on: December 26, 2019, 06:36:47 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

 

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