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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1148 on: April 22, 2019, 08:36:38 PM »
I might try one once, just because I'm fearless
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1149 on: April 23, 2019, 12:53:49 AM »
I'd try one, but I unfortunately don't have confidence that Tesla will survive long enough to really have a chance to win out on the autonomous driving race.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1150 on: April 23, 2019, 03:57:39 AM »
Riding in the taxi isn't the fearsome part, being a pedestrian near one is.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1151 on: April 23, 2019, 12:41:15 PM »
You can bet they will be safer than human drivers. Autonomous vehicles don't have blind spots, don't get distracted, and the chance of a true error is much, much smaller than human error. Can't wait for this change. (Yes, I'm a broken record.)

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1152 on: April 23, 2019, 12:58:42 PM »
You can bet they will be safer than human drivers. Autonomous vehicles don't have blind spots, don't get distracted, and the chance of a true error is much, much smaller than human error. Can't wait for this change. (Yes, I'm a broken record.)
I agree that when it happens, it will only happen if they're much safer than human drivers. I agree that it will happen.
It won't be Tesla, in 2020.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1153 on: April 23, 2019, 01:41:21 PM »
I agree that when it happens, it will only happen if they're much safer than human drivers. I agree that it will happen.
It won't be Tesla, in 2020.
So, maybe Boeing then?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1154 on: April 23, 2019, 01:47:29 PM »
I agree that when it happens, it will only happen if they're much safer than human drivers. I agree that it will happen.
It won't be Tesla, in 2020.
Oh, they're much, MUCH safer than human drivers now.  They're like 80-85% safer today...but when they inevitably hurt or kill someone, there's no one to blame.  That's why they're not widespread right now - when a human screws up and kills someone, we can point our finger and hate them and sue them and put them in jail.  When a machine does it (far, FAR less often), we get to do none of that. 
Sad to say, but that's why they're not commonplace yet.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1155 on: April 23, 2019, 02:04:03 PM »
Just last week a buddy and I went out to some old farmsteads where he grew up at.Sadly almost all farms/fields/woods have been gobbled up by "Progress" :'(.Anyway we turned down this old country lane still there with a brooke running next to it.Still some old farms/homes on it.It was kind of winding with just slight embankments on both sides with woods.We did have a small jeep come by as we in his big Dodge Ram were leaving and that was a bit hairy with little room for maneuver.The worst that could have happened however is one vehicle slid into the ditch/culvert.Not like those roads set high in the Andes Mtns in Peru.I imagine back in the day it prolly happened more than few times though.Friend said when they were teenagers he stole away there with girlfriends.We were back there looking for places to metal detect - getting old
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1156 on: April 23, 2019, 02:29:55 PM »
Oh, they're much, MUCH safer than human drivers now.  They're like 80-85% safer today...but when they inevitably hurt or kill someone, there's no one to blame.  That's why they're not widespread right now - when a human screws up and kills someone, we can point our finger and hate them and sue them and put them in jail.  When a machine does it (far, FAR less often), we get to do none of that.
Sad to say, but that's why they're not commonplace yet.
I don't think you're far off. Waymo is ready now. I bet Tesla is, too. And I'm sure there are others. The hurdles are regulatory, not technology. And there are a lot of financial interests in stopping the advent of autonomous vehicles, so that's keeping the pace slower than it would otherwise be.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1157 on: April 23, 2019, 02:59:47 PM »
Oh, they're much, MUCH safer than human drivers now.  They're like 80-85% safer today...but when they inevitably hurt or kill someone, there's no one to blame.  That's why they're not widespread right now - when a human screws up and kills someone, we can point our finger and hate them and sue them and put them in jail.  When a machine does it (far, FAR less often), we get to do none of that.
Sad to say, but that's why they're not commonplace yet.
I don't necessarily buy that they're much safer today. I think you have to categorize where and when they're safer.
They're obviously better than humans at one critical thing--paying attention and not being distracted. An autonomous vehicle isn't going to get into a wreck because it was distracted by a pretty girl walking down the street. Or because it was texting.
I'd also say that they're probably better at certain predictable tasks--cruising on the interstate, for example. It's not going to get inattentive and drift out of the lane [assuming lane markings exist]. 
But where they're NOT yet safer is in handling unpredictable situations. You know, like when the car you're following moves out of the lane and your car doesn't recognize that there's a stopped fire truck in your way and just proceeds to slam into it. Maybe that's only 1% (or less) of what a driver does, but the human brain is much more adaptable than current self-driving vehicles. 
Until they get that 1% figured out, they're all just "driver assist" technologies. 
(FYI that's not nearly as true of Waymo from what I understand--but they also aren't claiming their system is a year away from commercial adoption like Tesla is.)

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1158 on: April 23, 2019, 03:02:10 PM »
I think until cars are able to communicate with each via telemetry, we won't have a truly autonomous system.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1159 on: April 23, 2019, 03:02:31 PM »
I love cars and automobile culture, but I'll welcome in the autonomous driving era with open arms-- especially an autonomous driving fleet for hire.  No worries about a designated driver, no worries about parking, the ability to get work done whilst on the way to work-- the benefits are tremendous.

And when they come up with autonomous ski boat fleets for hire, and autonomous RVs, then I'll never have to drive another vehicle again!

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1160 on: April 23, 2019, 03:05:49 PM »
You can bet they will be safer than human drivers. Autonomous vehicles don't have blind spots, don't get distracted, and the chance of a true error is much, much smaller than human error. Can't wait for this change. (Yes, I'm a broken record.)
happened here in Phoenix. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html


 

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