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MarqHusker

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1106 on: April 18, 2019, 08:43:40 PM »
I do approve of certain areas around (indy) town where the Lime/Bird scooters have some designated squares for parking the scooters, that has actually contained some of the junk yard appearances.   I just wish they would enforce the 'no sidewalk' rule a bit, as that's where the accidents go down.   That and if you're not careful, the old school brick pavers around the circle and on a few of the adjacent streets, you do see some pretty terrific wipeouts.   

My observational inferences suggest a high % of users are convention attendees.

Regarding hyper aggressive implementation of bike lanes, (again observational) it looked really stupid in the Twin Cities earlier this winter when I was in town.   They are mostly panned in NYC too, not so much for the long winter rendering many of them useless, but for making Manhattan traffic even worse.    Correlated or not (I suppose smartphones are a greater cause)  pedestrian fatalities are on a steady rise in large cities.

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« Reply #1107 on: April 19, 2019, 11:28:14 AM »
I just think the gap between "build it and they will come" bike lane proponents and reality is large.

I feel like there are two types of people:

  • Cycling is LIFE!
  • Haven't ridden a bike since I was a child; don't plan to.

The first group thinks that if we just get enough infrastructure built, the second group will abandon their cars en masse in favor of two-wheeled utopia. 

But the second group much prefers their cup-holders and drive-through windows and talk radio and legs that don't hurt.

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« Reply #1108 on: April 19, 2019, 12:28:51 PM »
I'm a zealot, but at some level a realist. I don't think we will abandon cars en masse, but I know that replacing even 5% of car travel with cycling (or scooters or walking) would be a huge benefit to everyone. The lack of safe infrastructure is the single biggest thing preventing that.

There is tons of evidence that cycling infrastructure benefits communities--and improves traffic.

Part of the issue with the traffic is that when most of the roads were built, no one had studied traffic. Now that we have road design is much improved, but unless a government has a reason to invest in new road design, it doesn't happen. So it's probably less cycling infrastructure, and more new infrastructure that helps with traffic flow.

Unfortunately, most people don't know a thing about how traffic works, but think they do because they drive in it. A lot of people want more lanes and more parking, neither of which is generally a good idea. What they don't want is change; so traffic circles and road diets (and even just construction delays for something new), despite plenty of evidence that they are both safer and improve throughput (in the right circumstances--that's not a blanket statement), are met with outrage.

A good example in my town: an intersection was redone because it was a terrible design and limited throughput. The construction outraged people because it's a big intersection in town. When it was finished, there's no question that it improved throughput (i.e., improved traffic). One of the roads it served added a second left turn lane and a section of green paint for a bike lane--without taking away ANY lanes from the cars. Now, despite improved throughput, anytime someone leaves their house late and has to wait at the traffic light in a line of cars (which has been a problem forever there), they blame it on the bike lane, which has obviously ruined their commute (despite literally not changing the available asphalt for the cars). It's remarkable.

And yeah, people lose their minds over a bicycle or scooter left on a tree belt, but think their constitutional rights are threatened if someone suggests they shouldn't be able to park their car in front of their neighbor's house whenever they feel like it.

Bwar, your dichotomy isn't far off in the U.S., but for those of us in the first camp, we see lots of other places in the world where bikes are just ordinary transportation for large parts of the populace, and people who wear lycra and ride carbon fiber bikes are the exception, not the norm. For us, we're jealous of those other places, and we just grin and bear it when our friends come back from Europe and talk about how great their cities are, how walkable they are, and how nice the bike riding for all is (not true everywhere, but true in a lot of places). And, we always grin when a friend says, "you know, I rode my bike downtown yesterday, and it was great! I didn't have to search for parking, it felt good, and it didn't take very long." But that comment is almost always followed by ... "I just wish it was safer; that would make me want to do it more."

The idea that scooters and cyclists have anything to do with the rise in pedestrian fatalities is ridiculous. It is 100% due to the way people are driving their cars/trucks. Traffic fatalities in general are on the rise after decades of them decreasing due to safety improvements in the cars themselves. The only reasonable explanation is driving behavior (WAY more distractions in the vehicle). Cyclists may be involved in 5 pedestrian deaths a year (?--it's so rare there basically aren't any studies on it). Cars killed more than 6000 pedestrians last year (total motor vehicle deaths climbed over 40,000 in 2017 in the U.S.--another increase consistent with a steady rise over the last several years).

And Fearless, that looks like a beautiful road, with curves and sidewalks, too, so unlikely particularly high speed. What's the concern--that you'll have to slow down and pass a cyclist from time to time, costing you maybe 15 seconds of your day?


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1109 on: April 19, 2019, 12:46:46 PM »
my concern is that someone will be killed, either the cyclist or the passenger of the vehicle

the main highway between my small town of 400 and Sewer City, around 100,000 is a curvy, hilly 2-lane of about 12 miles.  Speed limit because of the narrowness of the road and shoulders and the curves and hills is 50 mph.

Of course the cyclists in Sewer City just love the road.  Especially a few months before RAGBRIA, getting ready....  https://ragbrai.com/

It's just not safe.  If a vehicle comes over a hill or around a curve at 50-55 mph and there is a cyclist going 25 mph it can be hard to slow down in time.  With distracted driving at all-time high levels it's very dangerous to the cyclist.  Obviously dangerous to the vehicle if forced to swerve into the other lane of on coming traffic or onto the narrow shoulder and the ditch.
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« Reply #1110 on: April 19, 2019, 12:54:53 PM »
The era of oil is coming to an end, with global oil production set to halve in the next five to six years. To avoid a global economic slump, the transition to 100% renewables worldwide needs to be accelerated. It is feasible and cheaper than the current system, research shows.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/18/the-largely-ignored-problem-of-global-peak-oil-will-seriously-hit-in-a-few-years/
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1111 on: April 19, 2019, 12:56:27 PM »
So the concern is that distracted, unsafe drivers will continue to be distracted and unsafe?

I guess I understand that, but cyclists aren't the issue, unsafe drivers are. I would bet that there are already motor vehicle wrecks on that road and that there are far more of them that have nothing to do with cyclists than do. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would be surprised. 

And this--for zealots like me--is exactly the problem. Our culture is so used to poor driving and motor vehicle carnage, that we don't blame it for the problems it causes--and we make essentially zero effort to address the real problem: drivers. It's one of the reason I am so excited for the future of autonomous vehicles.

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« Reply #1112 on: April 19, 2019, 01:16:40 PM »
no, not entirely ..............

more than a few dozen times I've had to hit the brakes extremely hard or swerved hard to keep from hitting a cyclist on that road.

yes, I was going 5 over the posted 50 mph, but I was not distracted, actually on the look out for cyclists, knowing that it was a nice day and they would be out on the road.

the problem is that it's not a safe road for cyclists, regardless of the awareness and carefulness of drivers.

It's too hilly and curvy with blind spots ahead, no decent shoulder, and too much traffic

On a flat and /or straight road where you can see an 1/8 mile or more ahead and slow down for a bicycle, that's fine

putting up "share the road" signs on a dangerous road doesn't make it safe
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« Reply #1113 on: April 19, 2019, 01:32:10 PM »
I'm a zealot, but at some level a realist. I don't think we will abandon cars en masse, but I know that replacing even 5% of car travel with cycling (or scooters or walking) would be a huge benefit to everyone. The lack of safe infrastructure is the single biggest thing preventing that.

Bwar, your dichotomy isn't far off in the U.S., but for those of us in the first camp, we see lots of other places in the world where bikes are just ordinary transportation for large parts of the populace, and people who wear lycra and ride carbon fiber bikes are the exception, not the norm. For us, we're jealous of those other places, and we just grin and bear it when our friends come back from Europe and talk about how great their cities are, how walkable they are, and how nice the bike riding for all is (not true everywhere, but true in a lot of places). And, we always grin when a friend says, "you know, I rode my bike downtown yesterday, and it was great! I didn't have to search for parking, it felt good, and it didn't take very long." But that comment is almost always followed by ... "I just wish it was safer; that would make me want to do it more."
Yeah, and I just wish dieting and exercise were easier... I'd totally lose some weight! ;)
I think even before the safe infrastructure thing are a few problems for general people:
  • Bike commuting is only feasible if you live near work. With sprawl, not many of us do any more. For me it's about 12 miles to the office--I could do it, but I don't. 
  • Bike commuting takes a lot of time. We as Americans are living time-stretched lives ever more often these days.
  • People have kids. Tough to drop off / pick up the kids from school on a Schwinn.
  • People are lazy. Per my point above, I know I need to lose weight and could definitely trim pounds with diet and exercise. Do I do nearly enough? No, because diet and exercise are a lot harder than eating what I want and sitting on my ass.

As an example... When I was briefly dating between my divorce and meeting my new wife, there was something that you'd see in basically *EVERY* girl's dating profile. They all love "hiking". Well, at the time I was doing a LOT of hiking. I was all over the trails, and we have great ones here, on a regular basis. Where were all these girls? If as many of them as claimed they liked hiking actually hiked regularly, those trails would have been DRIPPING with p***y. And not to say there were never girls hiking, but the amount that were on the trails were nothing in comparison to those who claimed they liked it.

Almost all of those people who say "I'd totally bike if it were safer like in Europe" are lying. Probably not intentionally; they're lying to themselves as much as they're lying to you. But people who want to bike, already bike. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1114 on: April 19, 2019, 01:41:41 PM »
The era of oil is coming to an end, with global oil production set to halve in the next five to six years. To avoid a global economic slump, the transition to 100% renewables worldwide needs to be accelerated. It is feasible and cheaper than the current system, research shows.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/18/the-largely-ignored-problem-of-global-peak-oil-will-seriously-hit-in-a-few-years/
Read more carefully, please...

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It shows that with no new investment, global oil production — including all unconventional sources — will drop by 50% by 2025 (Figure 1). That means that the global oil supply crunch is likely to happen already in the next five to six years and not in decades, as many fossil fuel companies hope. The global annual oil production is set to decline by approximately six million barrels per day starting in 2020. That means in the coming years the provision of energy related to oil will reduce annually by an amount equal to the total energy demand of Germany in 2014.


That "no new investment" bit is key. There's continued investment in finding oil. And just look at that chart... Do you honestly believe that's what oil production over the next 20 years will look like?

If you do believe this chart, mortgage/sell your house and start investing in oil futures, because they're going to SKYROCKET.

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« Reply #1115 on: April 19, 2019, 01:53:51 PM »
Energy from oil is used almost entirely for transportation.  Some is used to make chemicals of course.  If transportation electrifies, then oil demand would drop accordingly.  I read we'd be out of oil by the year 2000 .... in 1975.


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« Reply #1116 on: April 19, 2019, 01:59:25 PM »
Again, I'm after a marginal change. 5% would be great. And commuting to work on a bike doesn't work for a lot of people. That said, bicycles (and scooters) are great for short trips, under a couple of miles. A lot of people routinely make those trips in cars when they don't have any need to, and when taking the car (and needing to park) isn't much--if at all--faster. It's those short trips--whether to your local downtown or your commute hub--that are ripe for picking. That's why those scooters are doing so well--people like to be able to get outside and make the short trip on that kind of transportation. And again, studies show that the "if you build it they will come" theory is correct as it relates to cycling infrastructure. That's not going to be true in every application, but it is true in many.

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« Reply #1117 on: April 19, 2019, 01:59:59 PM »
Energy from oil is used almost entirely for transportation.  Some is used to make chemicals of course.  If transportation electrifies, then oil demand would drop accordingly.  I read we'd be out of oil by the year 2000 .... in 1975.
Totally agree. But if you look at that graph, there's no way future oil production looks even close to that... At least not on that timeline.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1118 on: April 19, 2019, 02:03:07 PM »
I see zero credible projections that oil production will drop by half by 2025, I view that as ludicrous.



https://www.statista.com/statistics/264026/projections-of-us-oil-production/

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« Reply #1119 on: April 19, 2019, 02:10:46 PM »
Again, I'm after a marginal change. 5% would be great. And commuting to work on a bike doesn't work for a lot of people. That said, bicycles (and scooters) are great for short trips, under a couple of miles. A lot of people routinely make those trips in cars when they don't have any need to, and when taking the car (and needing to park) isn't much--if at all--faster. It's those short trips--whether to your local downtown or your commute hub--that are ripe for picking. That's why those scooters are doing so well--people like to be able to get outside and make the short trip on that kind of transportation. And again, studies show that the "if you build it they will come" theory is correct as it relates to cycling infrastructure. That's not going to be true in every application, but it is true in many.
And I get it. I'd like to see more of it. I actually just bought a bike personally, and I'm trying to find excuses to use it.
I just think that one of the reasons that people haven't remade their lives to be more bike-friendly is because it's always going to be a niche. I think a lot of cyclists get into the "true believer cult" mode and think it's going to be a lot bigger than reality will support...
Just my $0.02... But I'm a cynical asshole. 

 

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