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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1428 on: May 01, 2024, 08:01:02 PM »


2022 would have been...

  • FIESTA - #4 Ohio State vs. #9 Kansas State
  • ORANGE - #3 TCU vs. #7 Clemson
  • ROSE - #2 Michigan vs. #8 Utah
  • SUGAR - #1 Georgia vs. #16 Tulane

#5 Alabama has a shot!  
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1429 on: May 01, 2024, 08:04:04 PM »
You gotta "settle it on the field", right?

Once you start going down that rabbit hole, people will keep demanding you expand it if they think a worthy team is excluded, such as 2003 USC, 2004 Auburn, 2011 OkSU, 2014 Baylor/TCU, 2023 FSU, etc.

I say if you don't want them to take a mile, you'd better not give them that first inch.
Smokey, this isn't 'Nam, this is bowling, there are rules.
Just make the caveat that the +1 only happens with 2 undefeated teams, post-bowls.

A +1 pits undefeated Auburn vs undefeated USC in 2004. 
The rest of those jokers lost and can pound sand.

'23 FSU is funny, because they were omitted from the playoff because of their QB situation and showings thereafter, but they're pitching a fit and blaming their own conference.

You could let FSU have their +1 if you want, as they were undefeated, but it'd be a public flogging.  The line would be 20+ points, no matter who it was against.
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1430 on: May 01, 2024, 08:50:11 PM »
Just make the caveat that the +1 only happens with 2 undefeated teams, post-bowls.
And this caveat will stand in perpetuity? Like a CFB Constitution that takes a tremendous amount of political pull to amend?

Nah, set the line in the sand that CFB need not chase objectivity. A +1 is just an olive branch to objectivity.

It doesn't matter if there are multiple post-bowl undefeateds. Let the polls decide.

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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1431 on: May 01, 2024, 09:11:43 PM »
Playoffs where every conference champ gets a bid

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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1432 on: May 01, 2024, 11:10:52 PM »
And this caveat will stand in perpetuity? Like a CFB Constitution that takes a tremendous amount of political pull to amend?

Nah, set the line in the sand that CFB need not chase objectivity. A +1 is just an olive branch to objectivity.

It doesn't matter if there are multiple post-bowl undefeateds. Let the polls decide.
Ummm, I'll advocate for what I want, lol. 

And in my perfect world, you'd just need 6 signatures.  Easy.
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« Reply #1433 on: May 01, 2024, 11:12:02 PM »
Playoffs where every conference champ gets a bid
Especially the WAC.
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« Reply #1434 on: May 01, 2024, 11:25:24 PM »
Especially the WAC.
I doubt that he was including FCS conferences. 
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1435 on: Today at 01:55:18 AM »
The traditional WAC.  You know, post-midnight twelving before there was a XII?
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1436 on: Today at 01:00:37 PM »
Just make the caveat that the +1 only happens with 2 undefeated teams, post-bowls.
or if there are only 2 one-loss teams, post bowls
or if there are only 2 two-loss teams, post bowls
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1437 on: Today at 01:47:15 PM »
I know every club soccer team is always involved in playing for 6-8 different trophies at any given time, but it's amazing to me that while you have the FA Cup and the Champions league, etc, that EPL and the other domestic leagues still just have a regular season.  That's kind of what college football used to be.  Who cares if it was a game between two 5-3 teams in late October.  You cared.  The national championship has sucked all of the air out of the room.

I always liked the 5-2-1 partially unseeded +2 model with traditional bowl tie ins.  Big Ten vs. Pac 12 in the Rose.  SEC in the Sugar.  ACC in the Orange.  Big XII in the Fiesta.  Then the 2 best at large, and best Group of 5 team.  You seed the 3 champs and 3 "at larges" so the best plays the worst and so on.

Yes, you get #1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington in a Rose Bowl quarterfinal last year, but honestly, I don't care.  I'd rather preserve all of those games.  You play them on New Years Day, you also get that day back.

So last year you would have...


  • FIESTA - #3 Texas vs. #23 Liberty
  • ORANGE - #4 Alabama vs. #7 Ohio State
  • ROSE - #1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington
  • SUGAR - #5 Florida State vs. #6 Georgia

Acknowledging that last year is literally the worst case scenario for it, because the one locked in matchup has #1 vs. #2 and you have the worst best Group of 5 team I can recall

2022 would have been...

  • FIESTA - #4 Ohio State vs. #9 Kansas State
  • ORANGE - #3 TCU vs. #7 Clemson
  • ROSE - #2 Michigan vs. #8 Utah
  • SUGAR - #1 Georgia vs. #16 Tulane

This is also acknowledging the non playoff bowls are dead

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« Reply #1438 on: Today at 02:54:29 PM »
or if there are only 2 one-loss teams, post bowls
or if there are only 2 two-loss teams, post bowls
I'm not going to speak for OAM here, but I'd say that if you aren't undefeated, there is no need for a +1. At that point you've left your fate in the hands of the polls by losing a game... 

You start offering +1 games to everyone, and pretty soon you're going to have calls for a playoff because a "worthy" 1-loss or 2-loss team hasn't gotten "their shot."

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« Reply #1439 on: Today at 03:11:05 PM »
but, I'm not interested in a fair decided on the field crowning of the MNC

I'm interested in the idea of the game itself matching 2 teams

2 teams with no losses or 2 teams w/1 loss after the bowls or in the slim chance there are only 2 two-loss teams left standing 

let's watch them play 
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1440 on: Today at 03:15:28 PM »
I'm not going to speak for OAM here, but I'd say that if you aren't undefeated, there is no need for a +1. At that point you've left your fate in the hands of the polls by losing a game...

You start offering +1 games to everyone, and pretty soon you're going to have calls for a playoff because a "worthy" 1-loss or 2-loss team hasn't gotten "their shot."
It's like how every couple years someone on Twitter accidentally invents a bus trying to solve transit issues

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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1441 on: Today at 04:31:09 PM »
It's like how every couple years someone on Twitter accidentally invents a bus trying to solve transit issues
It's like how everyone got so into the craft/boutique vodka movement, that someone finally invented gin!

 

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