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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7910 on: June 08, 2023, 05:42:11 PM »
I think they don't usually carry any real credential a tall

so, for lack of a real label, such as scientist or PHD or whatever, they are simply referred to as "experts" to gain a shred of credibility

when I see "expert" as a label, I immediately discount their opinion 
The question, then, is who do you actually look to or trust for opinions on these matters, if you immediately discount experts? 

Bearing in mind that "nobody" is absolutely a valid answer--as we've already talked about "rational ignorance". I believe you only require knowledge of something if you plan to have an opinion and discuss/argue/debate it. If you plan to be a proud climate change agnostic, I totally understand and respect that. 

It's the people that have opinions--usually very loud ones--without knowledge that bother me lol...

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7911 on: June 08, 2023, 05:54:35 PM »
The question, then, is who do you actually look to or trust for opinions on these matters, if you immediately discount experts?

Bearing in mind that "nobody" is absolutely a valid answer--as we've already talked about "rational ignorance". I believe you only require knowledge of something if you plan to have an opinion and discuss/argue/debate it. If you plan to be a proud climate change agnostic, I totally understand and respect that.

It's the people that have opinions--usually very loud ones--without knowledge that bother me lol...
I look for sources that have a real label such as scientist or doctor of...... or a list of credentials

nobody is my 2nd choice

very loud opinions w/o knowledge are the so called "experts"
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7912 on: June 08, 2023, 05:57:44 PM »
The question, then, is who do you actually look to or trust for opinions on these matters, if you immediately discount experts?

Bearing in mind that "nobody" is absolutely a valid answer--as we've already talked about "rational ignorance". I believe you only require knowledge of something if you plan to have an opinion and discuss/argue/debate it. If you plan to be a proud climate change agnostic, I totally understand and respect that.

It's the people that have opinions--usually very loud ones--without knowledge that bother me lol...
if you have two groups of experts telling you conflicting things which one do you believe

do you just go with the group having more experts
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7913 on: June 08, 2023, 05:59:35 PM »
the term expert is very vague and could mean something or nothing
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7914 on: June 09, 2023, 07:09:51 AM »
The question, then, is who do you actually look to or trust for opinions on these matters, if you immediately discount experts?
Like it or not, we're really highly dependent on 'experts'.  And there are fake ones, and experts can be wrong of course.  I go to a barber to get my hair cut because those folks are far more expert at it than I.  I call an electrician to do electrical work, a plumber, a construction company to redo the kitchen, all ostensibly experts at their craft.

I find an MD when I'm sick, and there have been times I have ditched an MD and found another.  I think I have a pretty reasonable doctor near us.  He diagnosed my heart flutter and sent me to another expert who fixed it.  If my car makes funny noises, I take it to an expert.  (That often stops the noise without doing anything else.)

I think the issue with things like Climate Change is we have folks with vested interests in terms of public policy.  And no, I don't personally think every climatologist (nearly) is in on it.  But if you read any of Judith Curry's book you'll see her stated experience in being misquoted, misattributed, thrown out with the bathwater after being hailed as a savant when she altered some views.  The intersection of science and public policy isn't going to be fun, with few exceptions.  Politicians aren't interested in truth, at all, and some "experts" aren't either.  The media basically play along because they want "clicks", not useful information.

My bet is a ton of real climate scientists loathe this whole situation.  Some like the public eye, even though everyone knows that we should really be listening to some 15 year old Swedish girl.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7915 on: June 09, 2023, 07:41:16 AM »
I'm an expert.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7917 on: June 09, 2023, 08:58:48 AM »
Reactionary and alarmist article is reactionary and alarmist.

For our part of the country, El Nino is a boon.  It brings more rain than normal, and we've been trapped in heavy drought since about 2018.  And with more rain, in our part of the world, comes cooler temperatures.

We love El Nino down here.  Bring it on.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7918 on: June 09, 2023, 09:02:59 AM »
I'm hoping for rain this morning

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7919 on: June 09, 2023, 09:11:33 AM »
Usually, when it's very hot somewhere it gets cooler somewhere else.  When it rains a lot somewhere, somewhere else is in drought.

I think it useful to know about El Nino and what it could portend for your local climate.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7920 on: June 09, 2023, 09:17:58 AM »
It's good for here.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7921 on: June 09, 2023, 09:43:58 AM »
El Niño also exacerbates other effects of climate change. In the Northern United States and Canada, El Niño generally brings drier, warmer weather. That's bad news for Canada, which already had an abnormally hot Spring, and is grappling with widespread wildfires from Alberta all the way to the Maritimes in the East.

In the Southern U.S., where climate change is making dangerously heavy rain storms more common, El Niño adds even more juice. That's bad news for communities where flash floods have destroyed homes and even killed people in recent years, and where drain pipes and stormwater infrastructure is not built to handle the enormous amounts of rain that now regularly fall in short periods of time.


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so, dry is bad and wet is bad???
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7922 on: June 09, 2023, 09:45:19 AM »
Too dry is bad, too wet is bad, this we know.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7923 on: June 09, 2023, 09:48:45 AM »
didn't need a negative hit piece on climate change to tell us that

the silver lining was fewer hurricanes in the Atlantic
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