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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7644 on: May 28, 2023, 10:30:53 PM »
My skepticism is not political at all. 
I don't believe you, even if you believe this.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7645 on: May 28, 2023, 10:45:32 PM »
type it into google, dickhead 

I won't bother waiting for an apology.


You could have copied and pasted it from a private message board.

Probably did. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7646 on: May 28, 2023, 11:16:56 PM »
Sure, why not.  Your mind is made up.  (slow clap)
Thanks for distracting from my point.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7647 on: May 29, 2023, 05:39:02 AM »
It remains the case that nearly all "deniers" reached that point of view for political reasons, and nearly all ardent worriers/protesters did the same.

It also remains the case that CO2 levels are going to continue to rise for some time, decades probably, no matter how many agreements are signed.  The math is pretty clear on that one, barring another major drop in economic activity.  You can't just sign agreements and throw money at a problem and expect any results.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7648 on: May 29, 2023, 06:06:31 AM »
One other item in all of this, measuring "global mean temperature" is not an easy thing to achieve, accurately.  

Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? - Carbon Brief

There is a good bit of interpolation and adjustment (for heat island effects for example).

This is a pretty good explanation of how such a small amount of CO2 can have an impact:

Wait, the Atmosphere Is Only 0.04% Carbon Dioxide. How Does It Affect Earth’s Climate? (scitechdaily.com)

This one has math in it, and predicts how cool our climate would be with zero CO2 in the atmosphere.

10Page63.pdf (nasa.gov)

There is quite a bit more to all of than just some correlation between warming and CO2 increases.  And it gets over my head in a hurry.  If my car breaks, I take it to a mechanic, if I get really sick, I go to an MD, in this case, I try and listen to as many "experts" in the field as possible and discern what makes sense overall knowing I personally lack the ability and time to really pore through all the literature and findings.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7649 on: May 29, 2023, 06:37:49 AM »
CLINTEL’s critical evaluation of the IPCC AR6 | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

There is a lot of good material in the AR6 WG1 Report, but there is also a lot of cherry picking and flat out errors in the Report (the AR6 WG2 Report is just flat out bad).  With any kind of serious review, or if the author teams have been sufficiently diverse, we would not see so many of these kinds of errors.  Unfortunately, the IPCC defines “diversity” in terms of gender, race and developed versus underdeveloped countries; actual diversity of thought and perspective is dismissed in favor of promoting the politically mandated narrative from the UN. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7650 on: May 29, 2023, 08:11:54 AM »
Only politics could inspire a childless man like Fro to care what happens to the world after he dies. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7651 on: May 29, 2023, 08:16:08 AM »
I disagree, I think a human can sincerely care about "society" and "humanity" longer term, I know I do.  Of course, I do have offspring.

Most discussion about CC devolves to politics and dogma, not science.  There is a reason for this I suspect.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7652 on: May 29, 2023, 08:38:29 AM »
If you have kids then that allows you to pompously bloviate about "leaving a better world" for them. 

When you don't have kids then the only thing that matters is what happens during your own lifetime, where it's pretty much guaranteed to not change by more than a tenth of a degree. 

Now I suppose it's possible that a childless person might just have a really big heart for his fellow man. But this is fro that we are talking about. He's very selfish and juvenile in all aspects of his life, unless of course when his puppet masters command him to do otherwise; as is the case here with climate change. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7653 on: May 29, 2023, 08:51:16 AM »
The models indicate an increase in global T of another ~0.8°C by 2050 under currrent trends on top of 1.1°C said to have warmed so far.  I COULD be alive then, probably not in great shape.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7654 on: May 29, 2023, 08:54:24 AM »
I'll still need to go south in January to play golf

I just hope I'm able to play golf in 2050

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7655 on: May 29, 2023, 09:01:43 AM »
A real NW Iowan should be able to golf in snow. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7656 on: May 29, 2023, 09:28:43 AM »
typical strategy when losing an arguement personal attacks


https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/666002/21b43e1b155051227ef2981acd52c254/19-16-292-C-Corbyn-data.pdf
  • It's easy, when you've already reached a conclusion, to seek out sources that agree with your conclusion and ignore everything else.
  • Author is an astrophysicist, not a climate scientist.
  • He pulls out the same tired "human CO2 is only 4% of CO2" BS that we debunked in this thread for you weeks ago.
  • He claims that current CO2 are an effect of the medieval warm period 500-800 years ago based on some understanding (again that we talked about in this thread, involving climate feedback loops) that during the transition from ice ages to warm periods, there is a lag between temp and CO2. However, there's no precedent for 410 ppm CO2, and no way that this level today could be an effect of the medieval warm period.
  • When an author starts his piece in only the second paragraph saying that this is about "tax and control" policies, you understand there might be political bias in a paper like this.

I've read yours. I'd love your thoughts on mine. 160+ year history of science and the study of CO2 and the greenhouse effect going back to 1859.

https://history.aip.org/climate/co2.htm

My skepticism is not political at all.  Im just not going to consent to having my life style changed just because folks believe that an increase in co2 of 120 ppm is the main cause of global warming

Somehow I believe this is the reverse. You're opposed to any change in lifestyle, so you deny the problem and seek out only sources which tell you it is all going to be just fine. 

In psychology, we'd call that "motivated reasoning". 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7657 on: May 29, 2023, 09:41:43 AM »
Piers Corbyn - Wikipedia

Dude has had an interesting life is wiki is to  be believed.

 

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