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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7266 on: April 13, 2023, 01:20:49 PM »
Actually, FSU, F A&M, and Miami have the meteorology programs in Florida. I don't think UF has it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7267 on: April 13, 2023, 01:40:13 PM »
I just read that Fort Lauderdale got 24" of rain in 6 hours yesterday. That is unheard of.

We talk about 100 year events. 500 year.

This is a 1000 year event, at least.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7268 on: April 13, 2023, 07:23:35 PM »
I just read that Fort Lauderdale got 24" of rain in 6 hours yesterday. That is unheard of.

We talk about 100 year events. 500 year.

This is a 1000 year event, at least.
Some of my employees down there got stuck at work.  Had to spend the night in the hotel next door - and weren’t sure if they could get out today. ( they eventually did)
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7269 on: April 14, 2023, 10:10:27 AM »
https://phys.org/news/2023-04-salting-biomass-crops-dry-landfills.html


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As reported today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, researchers propose growing biomass crops to capture carbon from the air, then burying the harvested vegetation in engineered dry biolandfills. This unique approach, which researchers call agro-sequestration, keeps the buried biomass dry with the aid of salt to suppress microbials and stave off decomposition, enabling stable sequestration of all the biomass carbon.
The result is carbon-negative, making this approach a potential game changer, according to Eli Yablonovitch, lead author and Professor in the Graduate School in UC Berkeley's Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences.
"We're claiming that proper engineering can solve 100% of the climate crisis, at manageable cost," said Yablonovitch. "If implemented on a global scale, this carbon-negative sequestration method has the potential to remove current annual carbon dioxide emissions as well as prior years' emissions from the atmosphere."
Unlike prior efforts toward carbon neutrality, agro-sequestration seeks not net carbon neutrality, but net carbon negativity. According to the paper, for every metric ton (ton) of dry biomass, it would be possible to sequester approximately 2 metric tons of carbon dioxide.


Very cool stuff... 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7270 on: April 14, 2023, 10:27:43 AM »
This is a much better idea than getting biofuel from algae, and I've seen it discussed years back.  The key is having an environment conducive for growing a lot of biomass fast and then burying the stuff where it won't degrade.

It's also a better idea than taking CO2 out of the air artificially.

It's not all that easy to grow biomass at scale without having it kill itself off.  And if it's algae, you need to dewater it when harvested.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7271 on: April 14, 2023, 10:38:28 AM »
I definitely can feel this. Pollen is brutal right now.





Strange list.  Austin is worse than both Dallas and Houston with respect to seasonal allergies.  When I travel to either of those cities, I find immediate relief from my allergy symptoms.

And yes, the Yellow Scourge was especially brutal this year.  It ended for us about a week ago, thank goodness.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7272 on: April 14, 2023, 10:48:04 AM »
This is a much better idea than getting biofuel from algae, and I've seen it discussed years back.  The key is having an environment conducive for growing a lot of biomass fast and then burying the stuff where it won't degrade.

It's also a better idea than taking CO2 out of the air artificially.

It's not all that easy to grow biomass at scale without having it kill itself off.  And if it's algae, you need to dewater it when harvested.
Yep. My biggest concern is the same biggest concern any time I see an academic researcher say "well we see it works in the lab, and as someone who has never had to scale anything to massive levels and knows nothing about economics, we totally know this technique can scale economically!"

But if it works AND it can scale, it makes a ton of sense. And I could even see this being a case where the costs could be spread. So many companies (incl. mine) have SBTi targets to reduce emissions to levels commensurate with 1.5C warming, but that's going to be hard to do just with purchases of renewable [non-emitting] energy. If farmers can sell carbon sequestration credits to those companies showing that an equivalent amount of CO2 is being sequestered to what they're emitting, it will make it a hell of a lot easier for their total net emissions to hit those targets. And the money [nor the directives to spend it] won't have to come from Washington.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7273 on: April 14, 2023, 04:27:44 PM »
G7: Liquefied natural gas is a bridge fuel to climate disaster | The Hill

OK, what's you plan to do something else?  "We can't do A because it's bad."

"What should we do instead?"

"Um, wind and solar, I guess."

"Never mind."


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7274 on: April 15, 2023, 08:04:32 AM »
PUERTOLLANO, Spain (AP) — In Spain, the dream of an emissions-free future for heavy industry starts with a rugged Castilian hillside covered in solar panels, and ends with an ice-cold beer. When the beer will be available, and how much it will cost, depends on an intervening rollout of green hydrogen.

This Mediterranean nation wants to become the European leader in hydrogen produced exclusively from renewable energy. With plenty of sunshine and wind and wide-open countryside to host those power sources, Spain’s ambition is to export the gas to the rest of the continent.

Green hydrogen is created when renewable energy sources power an electrical current that runs through water, separating its hydrogen and oxygen molecules through electrolysis. The result does not produce planet-warming carbon dioxide, but less than 0.1% of global hydrogen production is currently created this way.


As the global price of solar power continues to fall, Spain is betting that it can rapidly build a new supply chain for sectors of the economy that require hydrogen for industrial processes, and which have been harder to wean off fossil fuels.

Critics of Spain’s ambitions have warned there isn’t enough renewable energy capacity to produce green hydrogen that can replace natural gas and coal in the making of petrochemicals, steel and agricultural products.


But supporters are relying on the country’s plans for a head start to implant themselves in the nascent green hydrogen economy. The International Energy Agency estimated in December that Spain would account for half of Europe’s growth in dedicated renewable capacity for hydrogen production

“The sense of urgency is that everyone seems to be racing to be the first to export green hydrogen,” said Alejandro Núñez-Jiménez, an expert in green hydrogen policy at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich. “Once you build energy infrastructure, it’s going to be there for decades. So it’s really a game where the first one might lock in the situation for many years,”

A glimpse of the potential for green hydrogen can be seen in Puertollano, a former mining town now home to a large industrial park where Spanish energy company Iberdrola and fertilizer manufacturer Fertiberia have partnered to create the first zero-carbon plant nutrients in the world. The fertilizer will one day be scattered onto malt barley, which will then be used to make Heineken’s first “green malt” beverage.


Etienne Strijp, president of Heineken Spain, emphasized the difficulty of stripping carbon out of agricultural processing “Being carbon neutral throughout our value chain represents an enormous challenge,” he said at the announcement of the company’s plan to produce green malt.

The green hydrogen plant in Puertollano, Europe’s largest functioning facility, is currently in a pilot phase. Iberdrola owns the 100 megawatts’ worth of solar panels that power electrolyzers to separate water from hydrogen. Huge hydrogen storage tanks then feed pipes that take the gas direct to Fertiberia, where it is used to make ammonia, the foundational chemical in nitrogen fertilizers.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7275 on: April 15, 2023, 08:17:20 AM »
That's all nice, but what percentage of the total energy needs would that represent?

We're headed to a very muddled future with no realistic plan and a lot of money spent for little result.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7276 on: April 15, 2023, 08:19:23 AM »
Hydrogen of course can be a useful fuel for things like fuel cells, but it's basically a fuel storage entity.  You can't mine it or refine it, you have to make it, with electricity.  The useful feature of electricity is how it can be transmitted long distances efficiently, possibly to some location that an use it more usefully than making hydrogen.

Electricity is more useful than hydrogen, we're using a more useful thing to make a less useful thing.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7277 on: April 15, 2023, 08:41:13 AM »
it's the storage and transport thing that can be advantageous over electricity

such as refueling your vehicle in 5 minutes instead of 55 minutes

or providing an energy source to a remote location that would be difficult to reach with power lines

the percentage?  not a huge number, but could replace fossil fuels many places

the question is how efficient is the process from electricity to hydrogen,, but that's not real important if it's all "green" electricity
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7278 on: April 15, 2023, 08:54:30 AM »
I think electricity has major advantages in terms of transport/transmission over hydrogen.

Hydrogen may be more useful for nonstationary energy needs, like trucks.  Fuel cell trucks are a known thing, but the hydrogen problem hasn't been overcome.


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« Reply #7279 on: April 15, 2023, 10:05:00 AM »

the question is how efficient is the process from electricity to hydrogen,, but that's not real important if it's all "green" electricity
The efficiency question is very important. If you can "fill" your vehicle in 5 minutes instead of 55, but it costs you 10x as much as electricity to do it, or 5  minutes in 5 minutes but it's 5x as expensive as gas, it's not a viable "fuel" source. 

Solar energy is free. Solar panels are not. 

 

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