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« Reply #4690 on: April 28, 2021, 10:53:45 AM »
Well, I guess we should just give up then.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4691 on: April 28, 2021, 10:56:18 AM »
I guess we should be realistic and formulate a plan that has some decent chance of success.

I see no point in having some goal that is clearly unreachable.

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« Reply #4692 on: April 28, 2021, 11:00:50 AM »
Perhaps we should also limit the number of trees being cut?

This is next to my golf course.  The West side of the course.  Was a nice windbreak.  Not sure why the folks that own the industrial property there decided to remove the trees after they had been there for decades

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4693 on: April 28, 2021, 11:02:54 AM »
a goal is merely that

Scott Frost has a few goals for the football program

one of them may be to win a national title - doesn't mean it is realistic or reasonable or will ever happen

it's just a goal
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« Reply #4694 on: April 28, 2021, 11:06:10 AM »
I guess I see no purpose in a goal that is not attainable, it leads to disappointment and frustration instead of real action.

If we were realistic, we'd be doing what is practicable and sensible and also examining what we might need to do to handle coastal cities with flooding issues.

Do we abandon them or figure out what the Dutch have done for decades?

If sea level is GOING to rise appreciably, in 80 years, we  might ponder how we can manage that eventuality.

When JFK set a goal to land on the moon, we had the outline of a plan and some idea what it would take.

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« Reply #4695 on: April 28, 2021, 11:13:40 AM »
I have a hard time with the plan. Is it just to continue to release carbon into the air, forever? Feels like the main plan now, at least for America, is hope and prayers. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4696 on: April 28, 2021, 11:25:56 AM »
I could contrive a real plan with a bit of effort, at least the outline of one, however the "goals" would be pretty limited for obvious reasons.

I'm not in favor of pretending we're going to do something when we clearly aren't.

If we could employ nuclear power, realistically, a plan would start to be somewhat doable in 20 years or so.  We "could" nuclearize our power grid in 20 years with nuclear replacing coal at least, and much of the NG.

It would be pricey.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4697 on: April 28, 2021, 11:31:47 AM »


When JFK set a goal to land on the moon, we had the outline of a plan and some idea what it would take.
Funny, all my life, in every single documentary or lesson about this, informed people emphasize how insane a goal it was.  I guess they're all wrong.
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« Reply #4698 on: April 28, 2021, 11:32:33 AM »
I'm actually all for setting absurdly-high goals.  Because falling short of them may end up 'higher' than meeting a lower, more-attainable goal.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4699 on: April 28, 2021, 11:33:15 AM »
Funny, all my life, in every single documentary or lesson about this, informed people emphasize how insane a goal it was.  I guess they're all wrong.
Well, like many things you thought you knew, this is wrong.

The Forgotten Plans to Reach the Moon—Before Apollo | Daily Planet | Air & Space Magazine
The Forgotten Plans to Reach the Moon—Before Apollo | Daily Planet | Air & Space Magazine

The Idea That Got Us To The Moon, And The Man Who Pushed It : NPR




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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4700 on: April 28, 2021, 11:34:00 AM »
I'm actually all for setting absurdly-high goals.  Because falling short of them may end up 'higher' than meeting a lower, more-attainable goal.
Yeah, I had managers who believed this notion.  They were poor managers.

It was demoralizing for us workers and stifled any progress.

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« Reply #4701 on: April 29, 2021, 09:51:24 AM »
BUCHANAN, N.Y. (AP) — Indian Point will permanently stop producing nuclear power Friday, capping a decades-long battle over a key source of electricity in the heart of New York City’s suburbs that opponents have called a threat to millions living in the densely packed region.

The retirement of the Indian Point Energy Center along the Hudson River could increase New York’s short-term reliance on natural gas plants, despite the state’s goal of reducing carbon emissions. But Gov. Andrew Cuomo and others who fought for its shutdown argue any benefits from the plant are eclipsed by the nightmare prospect of a major nuclear accident or a terror strike 25 miles (40 kilometers) north of the city.

“There are 20 million people living within 50 miles of Indian Point and there is no way to evacuate them in case of a radiological release. And the risk of that is quite real,” said Paul Gallay, president of the environmental group Riverkeeper.


The actual shutdown will be straightforward: a control room operator for Indian Point’s Unit 3 will push a red button to shut down the reactor Friday night. It will complete a contentious closing of the plant’s two reactors years in the making.

The Unit 2 reactor shut down exactly a year ago under a 2017 agreement among the Cuomo administration, Riverkeeper and the plant’s operator, Entergy Corp. Unit 3′s shutdown under the same agreement paves the way for a decommissioning that is projected to cost $2.3 billion and take at least 12 years. The tall twin domes visible from the river will eventually be demolished.

The two reactors, which went online two years apart in the mid-’70s, had generated about a quarter of the electricity used in New York City and the lower Hudson Valley.

They also generated controversy.

Environmentalists faulted the plant for killing fish by taking in massive amounts of river water for cooling. Critics said the plant was antiquated and pointed to a safety history that included faulty reactor bolts and radioactive tritium detected in groundwater onsite.

Fears that Indian Point could be a terror target intensified after one of the planes hijacked for the Sept. 11 attacks flew by the plant on its way down the river to the World Trade Center.

“In theory, the plant was built to withstand an airplane crash in the ’70s,” Cuomo told reporters recently. “Who knows what would happen now with Indian Point?”


Entergy spokesperson Jerry Nappi said Indian Point has run reliably and safely virtually without interruption since 1962, when the first long-since-retired reactor went online at the site of an old amusement park.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4702 on: April 29, 2021, 11:22:39 AM »
Yeah, I had managers who believed this notion.  They were poor managers.

It was demoralizing for us workers and stifled any progress.
Exactly.  It's a terrible strategy for goal-setting.  Read pretty much ANY modern text on the topic of goal-setting and they explain in detail, why.

The benchmark for goal-setting is the SMART goal.

Specific
Measurable
Achievable
Relevant
Time-bound


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4703 on: April 29, 2021, 11:26:46 AM »
Exactly.  It's a terrible strategy for goal-setting.  Read pretty much ANY modern text on the topic of goal-setting and they explain in detail, why.

The benchmark for goal-setting is the SMART goal.

Specific
Measurable
Achievable
Relevant
Time-bound
Dude... Ouch! I come here to avoid work BS... 

But yeah, agree 100%. 

 

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