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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4662 on: April 21, 2021, 08:49:01 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4663 on: April 22, 2021, 09:38:15 AM »
Biden pledges to slash greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2030 (cnbc.com)

I'd love to know who anyone plans to achieve this, even in rough outline form.  The transportation sector becomes more important as the power sector starts to drop.  And you need more power if you go to EVs, somehow.  And what MIGHT be the penetration of EVs on the road by 2030?  Trucks?  Almost none.  It's nine years.  Cars?  We could hit ten percent, maybe 20% with a major push by then.  That's a stretch, and 20% wouldn't make more than a small dent.  Trains you can electrify at considerable expense.  Planes?  In my view, this is a ridiculous "goal".

Flavio Lehner, a climate scientist and assistant professor of earth and atmospheric science at Cornell University, said that while it’s ambitious, Biden’s pledge is likely not enough to reach targets under the Paris accord. Global temperature rise also depends largely on what other countries pledge in the next decade.

“Many climate impacts scale almost linearly with warming, so reducing emissions as fast as possible has to remain a key sustained motivation for this and future administrations, irrespective of a particular warming target,” Lehner said.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4664 on: April 22, 2021, 11:09:12 AM »
Drivel.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4665 on: April 22, 2021, 11:25:50 AM »
Yup, and I could get serious about this if "they" would.  This is stuff for show, with zero actual merit or content.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4666 on: April 22, 2021, 11:40:56 AM »
Yup, and I could get serious about this if "they" would.  This is stuff for show, with zero actual merit or content.
they do have an agenda however
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« Reply #4667 on: April 22, 2021, 11:53:39 AM »
Fine, everyone has an agenda, it doesn't bother me.  I just would like to see some kind of outline of a "plan". It shouldn't be hard to device, except for the fact it's technically impossible in  nine years.  It's just not going to happen no matter what, so the proposal is just political spin with zero substance.

We had the outline of a plan to land on the Moon in 1961.  That outline matured and evolved of course, but JFK didn't lay that out without any notion of what was needed.  von Braun and folks had laid out a basic plan that was not too far from what happened.  We even knew most of the problems that had to be resolved, aside from the need for an on board computer.  That one was not anticipated.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4668 on: April 22, 2021, 12:24:55 PM »
Fine, everyone has an agenda, it doesn't bother me.  I just would like to see some kind of outline of a "plan". It shouldn't be hard to device, except for the fact it's technically impossible in  nine years.  It's just not going to happen no matter what, so the proposal is just political spin with zero substance.

We had the outline of a plan to land on the Moon in 1961.  That outline matured and evolved of course, but JFK didn't lay that out without any notion of what was needed.  von Braun and folks had laid out a basic plan that was not too far from what happened.  We even knew most of the problems that had to be resolved, aside from the need for an on board computer.  That one was not anticipated.
Let put it another way

their agenda will not be achieved if an effective plan is initiated
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4669 on: April 22, 2021, 12:35:38 PM »
Woke up to 4" of snow yesterday and 1" today now mostly melted but with the sun you needed your shades
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4670 on: April 22, 2021, 12:36:26 PM »
We have around 276 millions autos and light trucks on the US roads, responsible for about 28% of GHGs..  Folks buy around 16 million a year new, about 300,000 have been EVs per year.

Let's imagine, magically, that jumps to 8 million per year, now, somehow.  So, if flat, each year for nine years, 8 million more EVs on the road, a tidy 72 million in the fleet now, leaving 200 million NOT EVs, in 2030 (assuming no growth).  And we'd need more power from the grid.

We generate in the US about 5 million metric tons of CO2 per year.  How could you cut that in half, in 9 years?  Well, you could have a MASSIVE economic downturn of course that would put the COVID recession in the shade, and the Great Depression as well.

The above, which can't  happen, would barely dent the 5 GGT per year figure.  So, what else?  The power sector?  Do you think wind and solar are going to make a dent, in nine years?  The projection below would be fine, but is not nearly enough.  Math.

Whaley said, the current rate of renewable energy deployment will see wind and solar overtaking fossil fuels as the source of the majority of U.S. energy by the early 2030s. Wood Mackenzie expects the renewable sector will continue to enjoy incremental growth through roughly the same time period, with growth beginning to stabilize around 2033.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4671 on: April 22, 2021, 03:43:55 PM »
The Imaginary Climate Crisis: How can we Change the Message? A talk by Richard Lindzen - Clintel

I don't agree with his analogy much, but it's worth a gander, or a goose.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4672 on: April 22, 2021, 05:24:17 PM »
The Imaginary Climate Crisis: How can we Change the Message? A talk by Richard Lindzen - Clintel

I don't agree with his analogy much, but it's worth a gander, or a goose.
It's an excellent example of the worst tropes of the "skeptic" side of the argument. 

Maybe a few good points in there, but you have to dig for them under a pile of sh!t. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4673 on: April 22, 2021, 07:25:53 PM »
set a record low for this date here in Sewer City

22 degrees, old record 24 degrees

tied the record low on the 20th
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4674 on: April 23, 2021, 11:07:46 AM »
This reminds me of most NY resolutions to "lose weight", whatever.  They sound good, and could be good goals, but without enablement and commitment and a plan, they fall to dust.  I know it is political pandering, and I've read some want an even steeper cut, which is understandable if you look at the impact this would have even if it somehow worked on climate change.

It won't happen, and it's not enough.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4675 on: April 23, 2021, 04:17:27 PM »
Decarbonizing California’s Grid Requires More than Wind and Solar (issues.org)

Still wishy washy, but contains some of the stark realities, and this by enviro folks.


 

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