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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3430 on: August 31, 2020, 09:28:06 PM »
I'd say they could pass some tax breaks and more regulations, kind of like what Obama did, perhaps a bit more.  It will be smoke and mirrors of course.
Democracy in action.  The people want to be lied to on subjects like this, so they elect the best liars.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3431 on: September 01, 2020, 08:02:16 AM »
Lying is pretty effective, along with negative advertising.  Most ads are how bad the other guy is.  I tend to agree the other guy is bad, but I think most of them are bad.

There is simple math in this field that gets denied by deniers who think magical things will somehow change something that is obvious and immutable.

We have to do SOMETHING!

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3432 on: September 03, 2020, 04:43:14 AM »
https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2019/11/Kelly-1.pdf

Rather long, but what I've been saying, with a lot of figures and data.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3433 on: September 03, 2020, 02:21:57 PM »
research team led by scientists from Argonne National Laboratory, the University of Chicago’s Pritzker School of Molecular Engineering and Northern Illinois University has discovered a new electrocatalyst that can consistently convert carbon dioxide and water into ethanol with very high energy efficiency and low cost.

Because carbon dioxide is a stable molecule, transforming it into a different molecule is normally energy intensive and costly.

But the new process can electrochemically convert the carbon dioxide emitted from industrial processes—such as fossil fuel or alcohol fermentation plants—into a valuable commodity at reasonable cost. Ethanol is an ingredient in nearly all U.S. gasoline and is widely used as an intermediate product in the chemical, pharmaceutical and cosmetics industries.

“The process resulting from our catalyst would contribute to the circular carbon economy, which entails the reuse of carbon dioxide,” said Di-Jia Liu, senior chemist in Argonne’s Chemical Sciences and Engineering division and a UChicago CASE scientist in the Pritzker School of Molecular Engineering at the University of Chicago.

The findings were published recently in the journal Nature Energy.

The team’s catalyst consists of atomically dispersed copper on a carbon-powder support. By an electrochemical reaction, this catalyst breaks down carbon dioxide and water molecules and selectively reassembles the broken molecules into ethanol under an external electric field.


https://news.uchicago.edu/story/new-catalyst-can-make-ethanol-out-carbon-dioxide
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3434 on: September 03, 2020, 02:57:10 PM »
Sounds intriguing. Can it economically scale? 

Not mentioned is the carbon dioxide source. Does it need to be sequestered from other industrial processes? Do we have the technology to do this? Or... Does the economic value of the ethanol produced make it economically viable for the entity trying to produce ethanol this way to purchase the CO2 at a high enough price from industrial producers to make it profitable for them to sequester carbon? 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3435 on: September 03, 2020, 03:11:37 PM »
I'd guess it's far too early to have any more than guesses on those very good questions.  In my experience, the reportage of such developments can at times be rosey.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3436 on: September 03, 2020, 03:37:55 PM »
I really felt like we could use some "rosey" contributions to this otherwise dire thread
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3437 on: September 03, 2020, 03:49:05 PM »
Indeed, converting CO2 to some hydrocarbon is subject to a lot of research, but it is energetically "uphill".  Plants do it remarkably well, I always wonder how these articial systems compare with just having more plant in the same volume of space.  The key is to take plants once fully grown and "entomb" them so they don't rot.

A tree basically is composed of water, CO2, combined with sunlight and time (and some minors).  They are quite amazing, and some trees like eucalyptus grow very rapidly in the right climate.

I like trees and have wondered if it would make sense to plant more trees along Interstate highways on the rights of way far enough from traffic to be no hazard.  Of course, that could make it hard to see the billboards.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3438 on: September 03, 2020, 03:58:11 PM »
lots of places trees could be planted

my ex-wife planted plenty in my yard
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3439 on: September 03, 2020, 04:00:36 PM »
The key thing with trees is what happens after they die.  If they just rot, or get burned, all the stored CO2 is unstored.

You need to make say paper towels with them and put them in landfills.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3440 on: September 03, 2020, 04:42:23 PM »
Or make fine furniture and flooring.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3441 on: September 03, 2020, 05:29:20 PM »
If we could desalinate salt water "cheaply", we could grow trees in the Sahara.  That likely would impact weather a bit, possibly a lot.  Or in the outback.

Anyway, I lean to thinking that is a more attractive was to decarbonize our air.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3442 on: September 03, 2020, 05:51:36 PM »
That's also a pretty big if.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3443 on: September 03, 2020, 07:34:49 PM »
research team led by scientists from Argonne National Laboratory, the University of Chicago’s Pritzker School of Molecular Engineering and Northern Illinois University has discovered a new electrocatalyst that can consistently convert carbon dioxide and water into ethanol with very high energy efficiency and low cost.

Because carbon dioxide is a stable molecule, transforming it into a different molecule is normally energy intensive and costly.

But the new process can electrochemically convert the carbon dioxide emitted from industrial processes—such as fossil fuel or alcohol fermentation plants—into a valuable commodity at reasonable cost.
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