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I thought Flicker was some TV show about a dolphin or something ...

Pretty sure it's a horse

I agree. It is the greatest threat facing humanity. Denying it and pretending like it doesn't exist like the current President and virtually every republican politician in the country isn't practical.

Just because someone would hold a different opinion on the subject that you do is not reason to disparage an entire group. I am old enough to remember when we were told that we would be in an ice age by now. Obviously those predictions were also wrong. 

When I was working, I had regular access to journals like Nature and Science.  I was engaged in some discussions with others about climate change off and on so I started "reading" the articles in those two rather preeiminent journals on the topic.  Not one of them said "Climate change is caused by man.".  They were all about some parameter in some model and how they suggested altering it, nearly all of them were about the models.  We have 5-6-7 different models, I don't know how many are widely accepted.  The work on them is to fit additional parameters when possible and modify older ones so as to conform to past historical readings.

Now, it turns out, to my surprise initially, that measuring mean global temperature is anything but easy.  Some folks claim the satellite measurements are among the worst ways, leaving us with ground measurements, and if you think about averaging temperature readings from various spots over time you can see potential issues, and they indeed are real.  It's a significant challenge in fact.

https://granthaminstitute.com/2015/10/16/taking-the-planets-temperature-how-are-global-temperatures-calculated/

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature-projections

The changes in a year or even a decade are tiny.  The last link projects an increase by 2100 of between 2° and 10°F (from 2012).  If we take that as 90 years, the maximum change would be less than 1°F per decade (which would be a bad thing).  No human would notice that in their everyday life, which is one reason I suspect some dispute all of this.  You don't feel it.  Some summers are hotter and some are not, like here last year was quite moderate, the highest recorded T was 93°F on one day.  It usually hits the high 90s a few times in July and August.  Does that mean the climate is not warming?  Of course not.

I'd guess "we" might believe things indeed are hotter in 30-50 years or so.

Like everything else (seemingly) these days, you "have to" pick one side or the other.

That's not how I roll, and not how I suspect most here roll. What happened to the middle? Oh right. They are not vocal. And there are a whole lot of them.

I've been called a denier because I ask questions. In my younger days I'd probably have broken a knuckle or two, but I'm much more laid back than I was then.

This climate change stuff is just another in a round of political hot topics. I'm not sure why it has to be about politics though. Seems stupid to me. Then again, most of today's "issues" seems stupid to me.

I'd like to hear from some politician about levee and dam removal, and the subsequent dropping of the FEMA flood insurance program. I suspect for that to happen, however, I'd have to run for office, and win.

Who's with me? I used to inhale, back in the day (transparency intended).

I have been called a "Luddite" (not specifically, but someone who does not believe in science etc.) by some for asking questions.

My main question is what can be done about this?  Show me a plan.  I actually got banned from one Internet site for asking that question.

I also note that IF wind and solar are now cheaper than coal etc., the transition should happen "naturally" with no other actions, and there are signs it is happening of course, but perhaps not as fast as some desire.  I understand sunk capital as a concept.

The idea of pricing "carbon" higher to replace the FICA tax is one I had not heard before, that is interesting.

climate change debate has seemed to calm down a bit.

there are the articles, but the meetings, especially international meetings have stopped for now.

seems money is tight and there is no plan

Plant more trees I'm convinced of that.I have a small woods and creek behind my house.Along with 2 oaks and a maple in the back yard.On real hot days it's a world of difference when you walk under canopy/umbrella provided by the trees