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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #11942 on: Today at 03:16:28 PM »
Caused by lightning strikes.

It's on my list to have rods installed. We get a lot of lightning here.

My friend (retired) said I need 9 for protection.
What if it deflects and hits the neighbors :o ?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #11944 on: Today at 03:38:59 PM »
What if it deflects and hits the neighbors :o ?
They'll wish they had lightning rods?
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« Reply #11945 on: Today at 03:40:32 PM »
I'd like to learn more about the grounding here.

We have sandy soil that is very acidic. Typical pH around 4 or so, up to 6.

E3608.1.4Rod and pipe electrodes.
Rod and pipe electrodes not less than 8 feet (2438 mm) in length and consisting of the following materials shall be considered as a grounding electrode:
  • 1.Grounding electrodes of pipe or conduit shall not be smaller than trade size 3/4 (metric designator 21) and, where of iron or steel, shall have the outer surface galvanized or otherwise metal-coated for corrosion protection.
  • 2.Rod-type grounding electrodes of stainless steel and copper or zinc-coated steel shall be at least 5/8 inch (15.9 mm) in diameter unless listed. [250.52(A)(5)]

E3608.1.4.1 Installation.
The rod and pipe electrodes shall be installed such that at least 8 feet (2438 mm) of length is in contact with the soil. They shall be driven to a depth of not less than 8 feet (2438 mm) except that, where rock bottom is encountered, electrodes shall be driven at an oblique angle not to exceed 45 degrees (0.79 rad) from the vertical or shall be buried in a trench that is at least 30 inches (762 mm) deep. The upper end of the electrodes shall be flush with or below ground level except where the aboveground end and the grounding electrode conductor attachment are protected against physical damage. (250.53(G)]
Curious why they wouldn't use copper ?  



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #11946 on: Today at 03:47:32 PM »
electromagnetism - Does a lightning rod prevent lightning strikes? - Physics Stack Exchange

This is what I was told by one of the lightning rod guys.  The rod disispates the potential so no strike would occur.  He told me the system he'd install would not be able to carry the entire current of a lightning strike, it would burn out if hit.  So, if true (and a lot of on line discussion is otherwise), this means your neighbor's house would have some protection.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #11947 on: Today at 03:51:10 PM »
Curious why they wouldn't use copper ? 



Probably cost?  Copper is  expensive.  That's why thieves are still stealing copper wire from poorly guarded new construction sites and other places.

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« Reply #11948 on: Today at 04:18:45 PM »
telecom industry uses copper clad rods

for buildings that house all the blinky lights electronic fiber optic equipment a ground field is built around or adjacent to the building

a single point deep ground can also be used
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« Reply #11949 on: Today at 04:48:49 PM »
Probably cost?  Copper is  expensive.  That's why thieves are still stealing copper wire from poorly guarded new construction sites and other places.
I see now that they do list copper on that spec.  They use a special jackhammer here to get the copper down 8 feet.  I see they call this Galvan, which I assume is some kind of copper alloy.  Didn't realize that.  


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« Reply #11950 on: Today at 05:08:06 PM »


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« Reply #11951 on: Today at 05:10:06 PM »
Yep.

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« Reply #11952 on: Today at 05:17:06 PM »
In unrelated news, near-biblical flooding continues in Central Texas.  Luckily so far, since the tragedies of 7/4 and 7/5, no critical threats to life and limb.

And many of the area's reservoir lakes are nearing full for the first time since 2017/18 ish.

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« Reply #11953 on: Today at 05:47:40 PM »
I see now that they do list copper on that spec.  They use a special jackhammer here to get the copper down 8 feet.  I see they call this Galvan, which I assume is some kind of copper alloy.  Didn't realize that. 


yup, they prefer pushing them into the ground.
hitting them with a sledge hammer or other metal device is not recommended 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #11954 on: Today at 06:51:11 PM »
Bryce Canyon is on fire too. 



We need some monsoons. 

 

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