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Topic: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff

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FearlessF

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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2019, 08:39:34 PM »
IF he could win the Big one
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2019, 08:49:53 AM »
Nebraska had a decent run there.  FSU had some amazing years as well.
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2019, 09:25:45 AM »
I'm guessing the most votes for the #4 seed, by far

wonder why?

12th in scoring offense
2nd in scoring defense
21st strength of schedule

Faith in John Cooper???

lost to unranked MSU, by 4.  

QB Germaine and RB Wiley are huge historic names in the program
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2019, 03:06:23 PM »
I see you left A&M out of that hypothetical 4 team playoff but I can't say I disagree.  But I just wanted to point out that was probably the best team we fielded over the last 20 years (sadly).  We let Ricky Williams run all over us in Austin that year on his way to the Heisman and if it hadn't been for that slip-up we would have finished much higher and were being talked about as a MNC contender.    

Consider this:  If in early Dec. you have a 2 loss A&M squad that just beat KSU would you leave them out of the 4-team?  We only lost to FSU (1st game of the season) and UT by a slim margin.  

A&M in 1998:  Narrowly lost to FSU in the season opener.  Beat #2 Nebraska.  Lost to Mack Browns First Texas Team (narrowly).  Beat #1 KSU at a neutral site (cost them the chance to play).  Lost to OSU in the Sugar bowl by 10.  Beat Texas Tech, Missouri, OU.  Finished #10 but could have probably finished a lot higher if we hadn't lost our starting QB in the Texas game and then lost to OSU.  

I still kinda feel sad that A&M cockroached KSU out of their only shot at the MNC.  Bill Snyder cried his eyes out after that one.  
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2019, 06:04:17 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 23, 2019, 09:25:45 AM
I'm guessing the most votes for the #4 seed, by far

wonder why?

12th in scoring offense
2nd in scoring defense
21st strength of schedule

Faith in John Cooper???

lost to unranked MSU, by 4.  

QB Germaine and RB Wiley are huge historic names in the program
Because they think they would win?
It's a Big Ten board, buddy.
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2019, 06:07:22 PM »
A&M was still behind 10-1 UCLA in the final BCS rankings, so no, they weren't going to be part of the playoff.
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2019, 06:43:44 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2019, 06:04:17 PM
Because they think they would win?
It's a Big Ten board, buddy.
OSU had one bad loss, and no CCG to elevate them into a higher ranking. Cooper was great against every team, sans Michigan. Like Superman with kryptonite. OSU was the best team that season.
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2019, 09:02:11 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2019, 06:43:44 PM
OSU had one bad loss, and no CCG to elevate them into a higher ranking. Cooper was great against every team, sans Michigan. Like Superman with kryptonite. OSU was the best team that season.
But he also had issues in bowl games, no?  With OSU he was 2-7 in 9 bowl games pre-1998.
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2019, 09:04:30 PM »
That '98 UCLA team....it had a putrid defense.  Allowed 250+ yards passing per game, 180+ rushing.  Didn't create a bunch of turnovers, ether.  It would have been the very worst defense of a national championship-caliber team ever.  The 1998 Pac 10 should be ashamed of itself, having let those Bruins go undefeated in conference play.  
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They were Twelving before the Big XII really even got going...
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2019, 12:27:57 AM »
Update on "What if" Playoff Voting:
Our Vote.................Real Life
'82 - Nebraska.........Penn St
'83 - Nebraska.........Miami
'84 - tie..................BYU
'85 - Oklahoma.......Oklahoma
'86 - Penn St..........Penn St
'87 - Miami.............Miami
'88 - ND.................ND
'89 - tie.................Miami
'90 - Miami............GT/CU
'91 - Washington....Miami/UW
'92 - Alabama........Alabama
'93 - FSU...............FSU
'94 - Penn St..........Nebraska
'95 - Nebraska........Nebraska
'96 - Florida............Florida
'97 - Nebraska........UM/Nebraska
'98 - tbd
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Notes:
Only two #1 seeds have received zero votes:  1982 Georgia & 1997 Michigan

Only one #4 seed has won the vote (so far):  1990 Miami

No vote has been unanimous.  The closest have been:
'95 Nebraska - 94%
'91 Washington - 89%

Our playoff champions by seed:
#1 - 4 winners
#2 - 6 winners
#3 - 3 winners
#4 - 1 winner

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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2019, 07:41:22 AM »
So, half the time, the actual outcome paralleled our opinions.  That's not awful.

One could also ponder how often the "best team" fails to win a four team playoff.  
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2019, 08:52:31 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 24, 2019, 12:27:57 AM
Update on "What if" Playoff Voting:
Our Vote.................Real Life

'84 - tie..................BYU

but, it wouldn't have been Michigan or BYU
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2019, 01:43:02 PM »
Not that it matters, because we're doing this for fun and majority rules, but the '86 vote bothers me.  We voted for a massive, unlikely upset with a substantial turnover disparity would happen again.  There's no reason to think that.  For some reason, grown adults aren't able to ignore something that actually happened, even when told it should have no bearing on this activity.

No, Penn State would not have beaten Miami again if they played a rematch or 3 more games or 5 more games.  But we saw it once, so that's how it has to be?  
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Re: Vote - WHAT IF - 1998 College Playoff
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2019, 01:51:50 PM »
#2 Penn State

Won @ #2 Alabama by 20.  Did not allow any opponent to score 20 points all season.  Unremarkable passing game, but really differientiated itself both running the ball and stopping the run.  Opponents only ran for 70 yards per game.  PSU ran for an average of 241, led by DJ Dozier.  Defense also intercepted 20 passes.

well, they were a #2 seed.  Great defense

I wanted to vote for the Sooners but their reg season loss to the Canes nixed that

and, it is a Big Ten board
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