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Topic: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff

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MrNubbz

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2019, 04:30:29 PM »
Quote from: ELA on May 02, 2019, 07:59:39 AM
Trojans.  Lost two tough road games early, then rolled.  
Just win baby,two teams beat them
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2019, 04:32:55 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 02, 2019, 04:28:24 PM
it's a big ten board

and, no one liked the CoCanes
We're also adults...
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2019, 04:43:30 PM »
speak for yourself
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2019, 05:00:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 02, 2019, 01:51:21 PM
  
OSU vs UGA would be a relative snoozer. 
Miami beats whichever one wins that.  Pretty ho-hum playoff, imo.
Put that thing out you'll burn your fingers.Nothing like h2h to send that comment swirling the drain.I'm not sure anyone knows which fantasy league your residing in


Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 02, 2019, 01:56:41 PM
OSU was 12 underdogs in that title game and 4 of you have decided to take them straight up.  It's dishonest at best.
This is laughable it's not okay for NFL execs and media to project their beliefs about a draft pick(according to you).But it is perfectly acceptable for you to project your very bias opinions on others beliefs on Ohio State in a game they won.If you were a pinball machine you'd read "TILT"Understand something Ohio State got screwed in that game in regulation and more than a few times with calls the 1st cane interception you can see another cane in the backgroud interferring with a recevier before the pick.It was very obvious and was brought up the next day.Chris gamble got held not once but twice with 2:25 to play that never got called either time and it appeared he made the 1st down anyway.That forced Ohio State to punt the ball that Miami returned to set up the game tying field goal
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2019, 05:04:55 PM »
told ya this was a big ten board 
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2019, 05:16:39 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 02, 2019, 01:56:41 PM
I see after 8 votes, I'm the first to pick Miami.  Are we mentally unable to ignore what happened in the bowls or what?  I give up hope of that.  And it's not about me approving of your picks or there being a right or wrong pick.
OSU was 12 underdogs in that title game and 4 of you have decided to take them straight up.  It's dishonest at best.

I'll take this:
I have a somewhat unusual take on that 2002 title game.  Most people, on both sides, start from the premise that Miami was "Goliath" and Ohio State was "David".  For Miami fans this works with their argument that their all-time-great team got screwed and for Ohio State fans this works with their argument that their "David" slew the mighty "Goliath". 

My take is that Miami was considerably overrated.  The 2001 version was "all-time-great" but I think that the 2002 version was not nearly as good as most people think/thought.  Added to that, I think that Ohio State was a LOT better than most people think/thought.  That game featured a plethora of future NFL stars on BOTH sides.  Miami had no monopoly in that department. 

I also think that the Big11Ten was significantly underrated and that impacted people's view of Ohio State's schedule.  In the bowls that year:
A Wisconsin team that went 7-6 beat B12CG loser Colorado in the Alamo Bowl. 
A Minnesota team that went 7-5 beat SECCG loser Arkansas in the Music City Bowl. 
Purdue beat Washington in the Sun Bowl. 
Michigan beat Florida in the Outback Bowl. 
Ohio State beat Miami in the Fiesta/BCSNCG. 

The Big11Ten's only bowl losers were PSU losing by one score to Auburn in the Capital One Bowl and Iowa getting beat up by USC in the Orange Bowl.  Miami, of course, played in the BigEast where none of the other teams would have finished above 4th in the Big11Ten.  They had difficult sounding OOC games against the two Florida Schools but both of them lost five games that year so that wasn't exactly as tough as it would usually be. 
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2019, 06:17:40 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on May 02, 2019, 05:00:06 PM
Put that thing out you'll burn your fingers.Nothing like h2h to send that comment swirling the drain.I'm not sure anyone knows which fantasy league your residing in

This is laughable it's not okay for NFL execs and media to project their beliefs about a draft pick(according to you).But it is perfectly acceptable for you to project your very bias opinions on others beliefs on Ohio State in a game they won.If you were a pinball machine you'd read "TILT"Understand something Ohio State got screwed in that game in regulation and more than a few times with calls the 1st cane interception you can see another cane in the backgroud interferring with a recevier before the pick.It was very obvious and was brought up the next day.Chris gamble got held not once but twice with 2:25 to play that never got called either time and it appeared he made the 1st down anyway.That forced Ohio State to punt the ball that Miami returned to set up the game tying field goal
Are you done?  This is a great example of you missing the boat.  
You're fixated on a game that never happened, given the parameters of these "what if" posts.  And if we must refer to an outcome that isn't supposed to be taken into account, I merely stated the fact that OSU was a 12 point dog and mused that no one choosing the 12 point favorite was dishonest.  I stand by that, easily.
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2019, 06:23:19 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on May 02, 2019, 05:16:39 PM
I'll take this:
I have a somewhat unusual take on that 2002 title game.  Most people, on both sides, start from the premise that Miami was "Goliath" and Ohio State was "David".  For Miami fans this works with their argument that their all-time-great team got screwed and for Ohio State fans this works with their argument that their "David" slew the mighty "Goliath". 

My take is that Miami was considerably overrated.  The 2001 version was "all-time-great" but I think that the 2002 version was not nearly as good as most people think/thought.  
I couldn't agree more.  Miami was overrated, as I'd argue, all defending national champs are, before their first loss the next season.  But instead of starting 2002 going 3-0 or 4-0 before a loss, Miami happened to go 12-0.  Their run D was porous.  They forced less than half the turnovers as 2001.  But for a population of people to go only with a double-digit underdog, after the fact, is childish.  If not childish, then overtly subjective.  

Let's not pretend if they played 10 times, that OSU would win half the time.  They'd win maybe 2 of 10?  3?  
I just have higher expectations of you guys.
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2019, 06:44:45 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 02, 2019, 06:17:40 PM
Are you done?  This is a great example of you missing the boat. 
You're fixated on a game that never happened, given the parameters of these "what if" posts.  And if we must refer to an outcome that isn't supposed to be taken into account, I merely stated the fact that OSU was a 12 point dog and mused that no one choosing the 12 point favorite was dishonest.  I stand by that, easily.

One almost needs a bucket when you post.And a step backward, after making a wrong turn, is not a step in the right direction.Great example of you missing the point in your fantasy world.Basically referring to others as liars who stand by their opinions based on reality.After you cajole them into joining in on your little foray into this hallucination then correct them for doing so.That 2002 Buckeye team put at least as many guys in the NFL as the canes.You hold your polluted views as Gospel and those that disagree as heresy - get a grip
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2019, 06:46:15 PM »
It wouldn't have been the Wolverines.
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2019, 07:05:06 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on May 02, 2019, 05:16:39 PM

The Big11Ten's only bowl losers were PSU losing by one score to Auburn in the Capital One Bowl and Iowa getting beat up by USC in the Orange Bowl.  Miami, of course, played in the BigEast where none of the other teams would have finished above 4th in the Big11Ten.  They had difficult sounding OOC games against the two Florida Schools but both of them lost five games that year so that wasn't exactly as tough as it would usually be. 
Well said MB - you get a cookie,oh and it's your turn to change the diapers
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2019, 07:46:49 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on May 02, 2019, 06:44:45 PM
One almost needs a bucket when you post.And a step backward, after making a wrong turn, is not a step in the right direction.Great example of you missing the point in your fantasy world.Basically referring to others as liars who stand by their opinions based on reality.After you cajole them into joining in on your little foray into this hallucination then correct them for doing so.That 2002 Buckeye team put at least as many guys in the NFL as the canes.You hold your polluted views as Gospel and those that disagree as heresy - get a grip
I have zero love for Miami.  And again, as I find is the case time after time on here, one of us is being objective and the other is pitching a fit while not playing by the rules, while being mired in subjectivity.  Sigh.

Oh, and this:  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/university-of-miami-hurricanes-college-football/
I know I shouldn't bother, it's full of statistics and objective facts...things you'd call gobbly gook.
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2019, 08:01:29 PM »
2003 Draft (I'm bored enough to explore this tangent, despite it having nothing to do with anything)....
Players selected (1st rounders)
8 Miami (4)
5 Ohio St (0)
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2004 Draft
9 Miami (6)
14 Ohio St (3)
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2005 Draft
5 Miami (1)
3 Ohio St (3)
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I guess on sheer volume, what you said is sort of correct.  But the discrepancy in first rounders is massive (11 to 6).  I could do an 'average draft pick' for each draft, but I think we know how that would go.  
There was a reason Miami was a 12 point favorite.  There is also a reason you're so adamant about picking against a 12 point favorite, and it's silly.  
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2019, 08:26:53 PM »
Buckeyes taken in the 2003 NFL draft Mike Doss,Kenny Peterson,Cie Grant,Matt Wilhelm,Don Nickey
Buckeyes taken in the 2004 NFL Draft Will Smith,Chris Gamble,Michael Jenkins,Ben Hartstock,Tim Anderson,BJ Sander,Darian Scott,Alex Stepanovich,Will Allen,Drew Carter,Rob Reynolds,Shane Olivea,Adrian Clarke,Craig Krenzel
thats 19 Jr's & Sr's from the 2002 Team


Canes taken in the 2003 draft Jerome McDougle,Andre Johnson,William Joseph,Willis McGahee, Andrew Williams,Jammal Green,Matt Walters,Ken Dorsey,
Canes taken in the 2004 draft Sean Taylor,Kellon Winslow,Jonathon Vilma,DJ Williams,Vernon Carey,Vince Wilfork,,Darryl McClover,Alphonso Marshall,Carlos Joseph
thats 17 Jr's & Sr's from the 2002 Team
This isn't about liking the hurricanes.It's about making assinine assumptions and passing them off as astute observations.Do you get in online to pick fights with people just to have someone to talk to?Oh and the greatest team still lost
you really are a wormy fuck  aren't you? I guess the people you refer to as liars have a case after all - even in your fantasy world.Kellon Winslow oh ya great one there saw his handy work here in Cleveland got hurt 1st time he took the field.Then wipes out on a motor cycle evidently as part of his rehab and is still getting arrested.Oh did I mention the Canes still lost can you even admit that in your alternate universe.Yup,wormy fuck,oh and I'm getting bored
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