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Topic: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2019, 01:17:38 AM »
Your simplistic valuation pretends a 7th-rounder is the same as a 1st.  That's all I need to put there.


You're bringing up NFL injuries and vehicle accidents to discredit the production of a college football player.  It reads like you're foaming at the mouth.  Miami did lose to Ohio St, BUT NOT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS EXERCISE.  I cannot dumb it down any further, nor to I care to.



I've learned that this crowd cannot seem to put itself in a hypothetical situation very well.  Cool.  I'll get over it.  Your frothy post is hilarious, though.
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2019, 07:56:24 AM »
I've learned that this crowd cannot seem to put itself in a hypothetical situation very well.
Says the guy who asks others to join him on Fantasy Island then basically dresses them down as liars when they do.
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2019, 08:38:12 AM »
Says the guy who asks others to join him on Fantasy Island then basically dresses them down as liars when they do.
If 1 out of 4 picked OSU here on Fantasy Island, great, fine, I can buy that.  But when 4 out of 4 pick the 12-point underdog, no, I'm not going to pretend everyone is performing the same thought experiment.  Many here are unwilling and/or unable to do it.  


And for some reason, you see me pointing this out as some sort of crime.
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2019, 08:42:34 AM »
In fairness, you are unwilling/unable to change the question to what you actually want?  It still says "Who would win the 2002 CFP?"  The question you are asking is "Who would you have picked at the time to win the 2002 CFP?"  Those are completely different questions

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2019, 09:33:12 AM »
Highly shocking that OSU fans would pick OSU to win the national championship in a year they won the national championship

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2019, 09:34:11 AM »
In fairness, you are unwilling/unable to change the question to what you actually want?  It still says "Who would win the 2002 CFP?"  The question you are asking is "Who would you have picked at the time to win the 2002 CFP?"  Those are completely different questions
I don't know that they are different questions.  If you don't think USC would make the playoff, tough to pick them to win the playoff.

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2019, 09:38:09 AM »
I don't know that they are different questions.  If you don't think USC would make the playoff, tough to pick them to win the playoff.
No, he's saying nobody would have picked Ohio State to win the CFP, which is fair.  Nobody was picking them.  Then ask that question.

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2019, 10:02:32 AM »
At the beginning of every one of these threads, I post what the fictional date is for this exercise.  I thought that was enough.  Silly me.

"It's December 9th, 2002.  The playoff is set, who wins?"



Literally the first sentences of this thread.
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2019, 10:04:34 AM »
Please vote as if it's December 10th, 2001.  The Huskers lost their last game, but are still #2, etc.  No bowls have been played.


-Posted at the top of the 2001 thread.....c'mon guys, you can't be this lazy.  And while your initial reaction to being called lazy will be a negative one, please keep in mind - the above is how deliberate I'm still being after doing over 20 of these polls.  I don't think I'm being out of order here.  
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2019, 10:28:57 AM »
Oh, and this:  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/university-of-miami-hurricanes-college-football/
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know I shouldn't bother, it's full of statistics and objective facts...things you'd call gobbly gook.

It will surprise nobody on here, but I find this fascinating.  I like Nate Silver's stuff, both political and not, because I like his style of analysis. 

The link lists the top-30 "most talented" CFB teams ever based on NFL drafts.  I'll start with my team:

Ohio State's "most talented" team was 2005 which clocks in at #18.  That makes sense to me because I always thought that the 2005 version of tOSU was Tressel's best team.  Interestingly, however, that team lost twice so they almost never get mentioned in terms of all-time great teams.  My answer to that is to point out that while the 2005 Buckeyes lost two games, they were by three to a team that went 13-0 and won the NC and by a TD on the road to a team that went 11-1 so they are both "good" losses.  It is also interesting that although 2005 tOSU was the 18th most talented team all-time they were only second that year behind #8 USC which also lost to the same 13-0 NC that the 2005 Buckeyes lost to.  Oh, and the team that beat both the #8 and #18 most talented teams of all time, 2005 Texas is nowhere on the list.

It is interesting how many of these "most talented" teams of all time did NOT win the NC. 

#1, 2001 Miami:  won NC
#2, 1986 Miami:  lost to Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl/NC, finished #2
#3, 2000 Miami:  lost early at Washington, missed NC, finished #2
#4, 2002 Miami:  lost to tOSU in the Fiesta Bowl/BCSNCG, finished #2
#5, 2007 USC:  lost TWICE:  to a respectable Oregon team that finished 9-4 and once to a dreadful Stanford team that finished 4-8, finished #3
#6, 1967 USC:  won NC
#7, 2010 Bama:  lost THRICE:  to a respectable USCe team that finished 9-5, to a very good LSU team that finished 11-2, and to NC Auburn, finished #10
#8, 2005 USC:  lost RoseBowl/BCSNCG, finished #2
#9, 1979 USC:  tied a .500 Stanford team and finished #2
#10, 1992 ND:  tied a very good (9-0-3) Michigan team and lost to a good (10-3) Stanford team and finished #4
#11, 2003 Miami:  lost TWICE:  to a decent VaTech team and to a good TN team and missed the BCSNCG and finished #5
#12, 1996 FSU:  lost to UF in a rematch in the SugarBowl/BCANCG after beating them in Tallahassee earlier, finished #3
#13, 2009 Bama:  won NC
#14, 1987 Miami:  won NC
#15, 1991 ND:  lost THRICE:  to very good Michigan, Tennessee, and Penn State teams, finished #13
#16, 1976 USC:  lost early to a bad Mizzou team, finished #2
#17, 1990 ND:  lost THRICE:  to a bad Stanford team, to a good Penn State team, and to a very good Colorado team, finished #6
#18, 2005 Ohio State (note, that this is the first team listed that was NOT the "most talented" in that year):  lost TWICE to very good Texas and Penn State teams, finished #4
#19, 2004 USC:  won NC
#20, 1994 Ohio State:  lost FOUR TIMES:  to mediocre Washington and Illinois teams and very good PSU and Bama teams, finished #14
#21, 2003 Ohio State:  lost TWICE:  to a mediocre Wisconsin team and to a good Michigan team, finished #4
#22, 1997 FSU:  lost to UF in the Swamp, finished #3
#23, 2006 USC:  lost TWICE:  to a good OrSU team and a mediocre UCLA team, finished #4
#24, 1999 Tennessee:  lost THRICE:  to good UF and Ark teams and a very good UNL team, finished #9
#25, 1966 ND:  won NC (famous tie game with MSU)
#26, 1999 Miami:  lost FOUR TIMES:  to very good FSU and VaTech teams and good PSU and ECU teams, finished #15
#27, 1980 USC:  lost TWICE and tied once:  lost to good UW and UCLA teams, tied a mediocre Oregon team, finished #11
#28, 1981 PSU:  lost TWICE:  to very good Miami and Bama teams, finished #3
#29, 1993 Ohio State:  lost once and tied once:  lost to a decent Michigan team, tied a very good Wisconsin team, finished #11
#30, 1999 FSU:  won NC

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2019, 10:36:22 AM »
Please vote as if it's December 10th, 2001.  The Huskers lost their last game, but are still #2, etc.  No bowls have been played.


-Posted at the top of the 2001 thread.....c'mon guys, you can't be this lazy.  And while your initial reaction to being called lazy will be a negative one, please keep in mind - the above is how deliberate I'm still being after doing over 20 of these polls.  I don't think I'm being out of order here. 
And yet you still haven't actually changed the question to be what you actually want people to answer, yet call others lazy.  Seems weird to me

You literally could just change "Who would win the 2002 CFP?" to "Who would you have predicted to win the 2002 CFP?"

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2019, 10:43:30 AM »
If 1 out of 4 picked OSU here on Fantasy Island, great, fine, I can buy that.  But when 4 out of 4 pick the 12-point underdog, no, I'm not going to pretend everyone is performing the same thought experiment.  Many here are unwilling and/or unable to do it. 


And for some reason, you see me pointing this out as some sort of crime.
I think the key here, at least for me, is the actual game proved that the 12 pt dog was totally wrong. I watched the game and I am convinced that Ohio State would win 6 or 7 out of 10 times. Miami was totally overrated and Ohio State was totally underrated. Ohio State was the better team that day and the better team period. 

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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2019, 10:49:00 AM »
I'm done
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Re: VOTE! 2002 College Football Playoff
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2019, 10:50:23 AM »
I think the key here, at least for me, is the actual game proved that the 12 pt dog was totally wrong. I watched the game and I am convinced that Ohio State would win 6 or 7 out of 10 times. Miami was totally overrated and Ohio State was totally underrated. Ohio State was the better team that day and the better team period.
The fact you think that any one, individual, data point can prove anything shows you don't have a full grasp of the situation.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

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