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Topic: Various playoff schemes applied to this season

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Cincydawg

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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2022, 09:18:27 AM »
 Heck, maybe even Texas will finally get in.
Let's not get all wonky here, Texas will be lucky to win another game.

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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2022, 09:45:19 AM »
Let's not get all wonky here, Texas will be lucky to win another game.

Sad but true.

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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2022, 01:34:41 PM »
The idea of having a "floor" of any Conference Champ is if they are reasonably close to the lowest seeded ranked teams then give them a bid for winning their conference. But don't take bad teams.

In a 6 team format where you take any conference champ in the top 6 and at large bids for the rest you are really just taking the top 6...
Same for the 12 team format (take conference champ in top 12, and at larges in the top 12)... right?

For a 12 team playoff I would take any Conference Champ in the top 16, and then back fill with At Larges. Because a top 16 ranked team is reasonably close to a top 12 team, and they have played and won an extra game. (ie. you get a bit of wiggle room for winning your conference.) But don't take any and every champ, because as others have pointed out, there are some not very good teams that stumble into a conference title.

Again if I had ultimate power... I would pare the system down to 4 reasonably equitable geographical conferences with 16 teams each. Then (since there are only 4 conferences) if they are in the top 8 they would get the auto bid, but if you have an outlier (for example an unranked Wisconsin from a few years back) you are not forced to take a bad conference champ.
i'd be fine with top 16 or something. that would change my bracket to this:



washington is dropped for tulane. and because tulane is a conf champ, they get a home game, which drops bama from a home game to a road game.

had to reshuffle around to avoid rematches in quarters, and also to give uga, then mich, the "easiest" match-ups based on rankings.

doesn't really change my opinion about this scenario. i don't think wash is materially better than tulane. it does play with the match-ups some, but not a big deal.

bama @ osu in mid/late dec would be salty, though. would be awesome to see.

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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2022, 03:12:13 PM »
just let the rematches happen
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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2022, 03:19:48 PM »
The selection committee is also keenly aware of the format.  Tulane is #16 now, because who cares.  If being #16 vs. #17 determined whether they qualified, they'd put more thought into it.

I guarantee under the 2 team model, Ohio State would have jumped TCU to be #3.  Likewise, 2006 Florida probably would have been #3 if it was a 4 team model

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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2022, 03:26:03 PM »
My playoff model gives Number 1  bye and has 2 play 6, 3 play 4, and then the next day the winners all play, and then the next day the winner plays number one.

At least this year anyway ....

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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2022, 03:29:41 PM »
My playoff model gives Number 1  bye and has 2 play 6, 3 play 4, and then the next day the winners all play, and then the next day the winner plays number one.

At least this year anyway ....
Tough break for #5.  Should have dropped to #6

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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2022, 03:44:28 PM »
#5 stays home.


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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2022, 06:09:22 PM »
The selection committee is also keenly aware of the format.  Tulane is #16 now, because who cares.  If being #16 vs. #17 determined whether they qualified, they'd put more thought into it.

I guarantee under the 2 team model, Ohio State would have jumped TCU to be #3.  Likewise, 2006 Florida probably would have been #3 if it was a 4 team model
I think this is all correct and the reason almost everyone feels a little gross about any and all playoff versions.  I'm worried that we've replaced the sometimes genuine luck of the original bowl system/AP rankings with some degree of human shenanigan bullshit.  
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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2022, 07:25:39 PM »
avoiding rematches at all cost = human shenanigan bullshit
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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2022, 07:56:07 PM »
Better than becoming the NFL.
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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2022, 08:27:53 PM »
not a high bar
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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2022, 05:57:35 PM »
I think the bar is at scheduling rematches.  The Big 12 did that.  Going forward, conferences with no divisions does that.  Once we crossed that line, I think there's no going back to the meaningful regular season that set college football apart.

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Re: Various playoff schemes applied to this season
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2022, 11:05:48 AM »
not sure why there's a stigma regarding rematches in college football
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