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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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« Reply #3066 on: December 15, 2025, 12:59:11 PM »
so, who's funding the Hoosiers?

Robert Newton??
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« Reply #3067 on: December 15, 2025, 01:01:01 PM »
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« Reply #3068 on: December 15, 2025, 04:03:14 PM »
NCAA show cause just got whacked in court. they really have no power anymore.


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« Reply #3069 on: December 15, 2025, 04:45:35 PM »
I think there's a difference. I'm not exactly up on how Texas schools compare, but from what I know, A&M is FAR closer to the level of Texas than it is to the level of Texas Tech.

I think of it in terms of Purdue rivalries. Purdue's two hated teams are Notre Dame and Indiana. The issue is... Notre Dame barely sees us as a rival. We have a long history playing them, but it's rarely competitive. In Texas, you have two good teams (UT and A&M) and one "patsy" (Tech) for lack of a better word. Which means that in the grand scheme of things, A&M and UT are battling for the same level of recruits, and Tech is picking up the scraps. Whereas in Indiana, Notre Dame is getting the prized recruits while Purdue and IU are fighting over the scraps.

Your "hatred" of Tech is muted because you ultimately know they're not really on your level. My "hatred" of Notre Dame is muted because I ultimately know we're not on their level.

But Purdue and IU are peers.

Which means that I can stomach the idea of them stringing together a couple of good seasons. 8-4 to 10-2, maybe backdooring into the 12-team CFP at 10-2 only to be the sacrificial lamb. Ultimately that's transient success, that doesn't change the ultimate balance of power in the state. Just as if Notre Dame wins it all one of these years, as much as I'll hate it, doesn't change the balance of power in the state, because neither Purdue nor IU were on their level to begin with.

But an IU team that knocked off Oregon and Ohio State, to be 13-0 Big Ten Champs and ranked #1? An IU team that had its first ever Heisman winner? An IU team that maybe even has a real chance to win it all, or at least to make it to the CFP final?

No... Those are the sort of program-changing levels of success that upset the balance of power in the state of Indiana. Their success, then, comes DIRECTLY at Purdue's expense. It may not be just a transient couple of good years that goes away as soon as their coach is poached. It's the sort of thing that gets alumni excited and opens their wallets. It's the sort of thing that gets Indiana HS kids dreaming of going to IU. It's the sort of thing that can be momentum-building and become a self-fulfilling prophecy about Indiana being closer to Notre Dame's level than Purdue's.

It's the opposite in basketball. IU has the banners and the "blue blood" reputation. But for most of the past two decades, Purdue has been the premier basketball school in the state, and IU has been rotating through coaches and having little to show for it. Over the past few years, Purdue has elevated further, getting the Final Four curse off our backs, and making it to the NCAAT final. I can tell you that every IU basketball fan in the country is praying that Purdue doesn't capitalize and win it all, because it seems that Purdue has already flipped the balance of power in basketball, and Purdue hanging a banner, with a solid culture in place, with a seasoned HC who is only 55 and has no aspirations of ever leaving West Lafayette... That's the sort of thing that elevates Purdue and it happens at the direct expense of IU. 
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I think there's a difference. I'm not exactly up on how Texas schools compare, but from what I know, A&M is FAR closer to the level of Texas than it is to the level of Texas Tech.
A&M was in the Big 12 from 1996-2011.  In that time, we played Texas Tech every year, and we were 6-10.  This is with multiple coaches on both sides, RC, Dykes (Spike not Sonny), Fran, Leach, Sherman, and Tuberville.  Obviously TTech had their best period in 2000-2009 with Leach and was somewhat on par with OU/Texas.  I'd have to look at the records, but it seems like they either beat one or the other every single year for 5-6 years, and absolutely spoiled the day for Colt McCoy/Brown in 2008.  That was the infamous Crabtree TD.  Remember, Tech wasn't just playing the spoiler, they had chance to beat OU and make the CCG as well (they got hammered the following week by OU).  

Anyways, their "peak" coincided with our valley, so I'm not going to get too hung up on it.  Our record vs Texas from that time is even worse, the only redeeming quality is that we did win a Big 12 Championship (sorry KSU buds) when it was still tough.  We had to beat Nebraska, Texas Tech, and #1 KSU.  Outside of that, we did Zilch.  
Also during that time, we never recruited outside the top 20, and possibly never recruited outside the top 10.  What we did with all that talent, I couldn't tell you, but not much.  

I'm glad that you think A&M is better than Tech as a program, because looking at the W/L over the last 30 years, we are not.  Last 10-15, probably, but not by much.  We don't have any banners to hang either.  Despite how up and down Texas has been over that timeframe, they do have several conference championships and at least one SEC CCG appearance and multiple playoff appearances/victories.  
I guess it helps too that Tech is in a completely different conference, and not having to play them in the past 15 years has somewhat eased the hate.  And, we can match them in NIL and other arms races, and there is no question that Kyle Field/College Station is a better venue for CFB and recruiting.  

I guess that's a lot of typing for me to just say that if IU/Tech/(insert non-blue blood here) then it shows that it can be done elsewhere, and if paying the players is what's required to break out of the UGa/Alabama/Michigan/OSU then so be it, we all know they've probably been doing it as well.  And so have we, just very poorly, apparently.  


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« Reply #3070 on: December 15, 2025, 05:05:16 PM »
Also, I meant to say in that long paragraph, that TTech probably only rarely recruited in the Top 20 in that same time.  That's why Tubberville and the other coaches (I forgot the other guy they had) did so mediocre, because Leach could find them gems and coach-em up.  Tubberville could coach up good talent, but identifying it was not his strong suit.  

I have no idea how they do recruiting rankings in the portal age or how their portal haul was but I don't think they can outspend either A&M or Texas.  All it does for them is even the recruiting field.  I don't know if there is a ceiling on NIL right now.  I know there is supposed to be one starting next year, but there is talk that it won't hold up in court and there may not be a real solution for a long time.  Then the question becomes, which schools can outspend the other ones?  Even if you're a billionaire, are you willing to spend $50 million on your favorite team, year over year?  I'd think you'd need 10-15 super boosters to each donate $1-3 million each, every year to be sustainable.  Even the Tech guy said in his interview they went all out for just this year because there was a gap where NIL and school payouts overlap, next year may be different.  Are they willing to put that much money up year over year?  

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« Reply #3071 on: December 15, 2025, 05:27:25 PM »
I can't remember where I saw it, but somebody made the claim that Ohio St. was spending upwards of $60 million this year on players.  Any truth to that?

I guess there's room to grow, when the NFL salary cap is $279, but, damn.

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« Reply #3072 on: December 15, 2025, 05:36:23 PM »
I don't know if there is a ceiling on NIL right now.  I know there is supposed to be one starting next year, but there is talk that it won't hold up in court and there may not be a real solution for a long time.  
I don't think there's any ceiling on NIL, nor do I think it's possible to enact one. NIL is by definition not paid by the school. It may [generally] be only an arms-length transaction, where the school is telling an NIL collective who they want them to spend their money on. But it's nominally not done by the school. 

NIL is basically the same thing as endorsement contracts in the NFL. Whatever Patrick Mahomes earns from State Farm commercials doesn't get counted against the Chiefs for salary cap. The difference of course is that NIL collectives are basically pay-for-play arrangements, but I believe legally they're treated the same as endorsement deals.

Colleges now have the capability to do revenue sharing, but I think that's a flat cap of something like $22.5M (or thereabouts) per school spread across all athletes--not even just football. 

I can't remember where I saw it, but somebody made the claim that Ohio St. was spending upwards of $60 million this year on players.  Any truth to that?

I guess there's room to grow, when the NFL salary cap is $279, but, damn.
Again, that's NIL, not direct payments from the school to the players. So any salary cap analogies don't work. 

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« Reply #3073 on: December 15, 2025, 05:48:46 PM »
NIL is basically the same thing as endorsement contracts in the NFL. 
except it's not
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« Reply #3074 on: December 15, 2025, 06:10:15 PM »

Again, that's NIL, not direct payments from the school to the players. So any salary cap analogies don't work.
I'm not really interested in "rules," since it's the freakin' Wild West and there are no rules, I'm just interested in what it takes to assemble these teams full of free agents and compete.  

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« Reply #3075 on: December 15, 2025, 06:18:21 PM »
I'm hopin it's closer to 30 million than 60 million but have no idear
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« Reply #3076 on: December 15, 2025, 06:19:27 PM »
except it's not
Well, it is, and it's not. 

The equivalent would be if Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos were huge Seahawks fans.

They go to the GM of the Seahawks and say: "Which free agents do you want in Seattle? We'll offer them endorsement deals that massively enrich them, as long as they sign with the Seahawks."

And then they go to those players, and say: "Due to salary cap constraints, Seattle can only offer X to you. However, we're going to pay you 5X that to be MSFT/AMZN ambassadors if you sign. We're not actually going to make you do much in the way of duties or commercials. But if you sign with the Seahawks, you're going to be making WAY more than they can offer you directly."

It's all shady, but the Seahawks salary cap is only measured against their salaries, not third-party payments. 

I'm not really interested in "rules," since it's the freakin' Wild West and there are no rules, I'm just interested in what it takes to assemble these teams full of free agents and compete. 
Well, there are still some rules. The schools can only offer a certain amount of direct pay-for-play when it comes to revenue sharing. 

But your point is valid. College football has now come down to "who can buy the best roster?" In that sense, it's the wild wild west.  

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« Reply #3077 on: December 15, 2025, 09:20:59 PM »
Well, it is, and it's not.

The equivalent would be if Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos were huge Seahawks fans.

We're not actually going to make you do much in the way of duties or commercials ANYTHING. But if you sign with the Seahawks, you're going to be making WAY more than they can offer you directly."
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« Reply #3078 on: December 15, 2025, 10:07:15 PM »
so, who's funding the Hoosiers?

Robert Newton??
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« Reply #3079 on: December 15, 2025, 10:13:45 PM »
how would you know?
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