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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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FearlessF

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« Reply #2744 on: Today at 04:06:55 PM »
Yup and another reason for the Irish to join the B1G
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« Reply #2745 on: Today at 04:15:08 PM »
"Berkeley," FWIW.

They are definitely screwed in a 40-ish team super conference. Wisconsin is probably a bubble team in that world.

One of the things I was toying with while ChatGPT was drawing maps and figuring out distances for me was how to treat the minor players in the CFB world: Purdue, Vandy, Wake Forest, Oregon State, etc. Schools like Boise State and BYU probably bring as much to the table, or more, as some of these schools.

One of the problems college football has is that there are only a very small handful of schools that are truly willing to spend at the "elite" level. Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, USC, Notre Dame, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, and probably Tennessee, LSU, Penn State, and Florida (maybe a few others, but not many). That's not enough to have a college football ecosystem that generates the kind of TV revenue that the current model does.

This is nothing like the NFL where even the small market teams have a shot. No, they don't all have Dallas Cowboys money, but they all have enough to have a competitive chance. Are Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, and Alabama willing to share enough that Purdue, Wake Forest, and Vanderbilt have anything close to "competitive" resources? I doubt it. But those top-tier programs need other teams to play. In some ways the college sports landscape is a little more like European football, where the clubs/teams are king, not the league. Even teams like Indiana (or Brighton Hove Albion) have fans that want to see their teams play. They are ok with playing in a world where Ohio State and Man City can just outspend them, as long as they still get to compete on the same pitch. 

Working out how to spread the money around so that 40+ teams feel like they are getting a fair deal is going to be a neat trick.

And what's left for everyone else is, too. College sports are still part of college. FCS teams show all the time that people like having college football, even when it isn't a big revenue driver. Wisconsin, and schools like it, present an interesting problem. Would it rather be a cellar dweller in a league that generates more revenue for it, or a prince or even King in a league where it has a real shot at winning. And is there a TV market for that second tier league that could actually generate similar revenue for it, rather than taking money for being OSU and Michigan's bitch. It wouldn't surprise me if there is.

Which all comes back to: figuring this out will be a neat trick.

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« Reply #2747 on: Today at 04:21:55 PM »
Burkly.
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« Reply #2748 on: Today at 04:32:48 PM »
Burkly.
Burny or someone used to always call them  Berknee.  I have no idea why.


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« Reply #2749 on: Today at 04:34:38 PM »
Yup and another reason for the Irish to join the B1G
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« Reply #2750 on: Today at 04:38:26 PM »
This is nothing like the NFL where even the small market teams have a shot. No, they don't all have Dallas Cowboys money, but they all have enough to have a competitive chance. 
Doesn't matter. NFL has two things that give you parity: a hard salary cap, and a draft. 

Having Dallas Cowboys money doesn't matter, except perhaps if a free agent is choosing between teams. The free agent knows they might have better endorsement deals as a Dallas Cowboy than as a Jacksonville Jaguar. But the Cowboys themselves can't spend any more than another team on a player--unless they take it away from the rest of their roster. 

There's no analog to CFB. None. And that was true BEFORE NIL and the portal. 

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« Reply #2751 on: Today at 04:58:40 PM »
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F ND.
I do agree but,...........
they bring lots of $$$$ to the TV negotiations
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« Reply #2752 on: Today at 04:58:46 PM »
Agreed (to BRAD's comment about the differences with the NFL). And a collective bargaining agreement is much more complicated at the college football level.

As for ND, everyone needs a villain. For some it's OSU, others it's Michigan, 'Bama, USC, or even ND. Sports need villains.

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« Reply #2753 on: Today at 05:01:21 PM »
Burny or someone used to always call them  Berknee.  I have no idea why.


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« Reply #2754 on: Today at 05:22:59 PM »
Eh. If we get down to some 30-40 team super league, they might be screwed.

Where would they draw the line on something like that? 

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« Reply #2755 on: Today at 06:23:07 PM »
Answer: Revenue. 

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« Reply #2756 on: Today at 07:44:12 PM »


  • California has a massive university system between the UC and the Cal State systems. Which means that not a lot of people in the state actually ATTEND Cal/UCLA. I suspect that a number of those people who attended other schools gravitate to rooting for one of the big 4 programs in the state when it comes to football, but that is bandwagon fandom. I see it down here in SoCal. People root for USC when they're good at football and UCLA when they're good at basketball, and then on years where they're not... Nobody cares.

I think this is an interesting topic, in and of itself. 
I was talking with another teacher about random, teachery things, and I ended up realizing how few colleges and universities the state of Arizona has.  There's only 3 main universities, plus Grand Canyon U (a religious school), and the community colleges.  There's a few others, but they're tiny, and literally just a few of them.
I bet there's more in the metro of Boston alone than in the whole state of AZ.
Florida has many, and a few of them are monstrosities, in terms of student population.  Even when you take into account state population, eastern states (and CA) seem to have many, many more colleges and universities.  
Sure, that's due to being populated earlier (including CA compared to other western states), but the western states haven't caught up.  And I'm not sure they ever will catch up.
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CA, as most know, was the first western state to become highly populated, with the gold rush and such.  People filled in the continent to the Mississippi, then bypassed everything between it and CA.  Then back-filled in the rest of the west.
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