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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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« Reply #2562 on: Today at 09:11:55 AM »
wish Warren Buffet was more fanatical about Husker football
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« Reply #2563 on: Today at 09:15:29 AM »
Top NIL schools by conference are:

Oregon
tOSU
Michigan
USC

Texas
Texas A&M
Georgia
Tennessee
Florida

Miami
SMU

Texas Tech

Schools that you'd think would be NIL-rich but aren't:

OU
LSU
PSU
FSU

Schools that we knew would suffer most in NIL era:

Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss State




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« Reply #2564 on: Today at 10:32:36 AM »
I don't know what defines "NIL-rich," but LSU got who and what it wanted in the portal this year and has made managing the new landscape a priority.  Once the kid that went to Michigan asked for more than they were willing to spend for one guy, they basically went Money-ball and scooped up a ton of value elsewhere.  

So "people" say.  We'll see what the results on the field are.

I don't ever rule out the possibility that a legislature as corrupt as Louisiana's won't find a way to forcibly extract NIL from the public in the form of state revenue, and I'm being serious about that.  LSU's/LA legislature's history of misappropriating public funds to benefit the flagship university's football team has a.....colorful....past.  

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« Reply #2565 on: Today at 10:35:19 AM »
I don't know what defines "NIL-rich," but LSU got who and what it wanted in the portal this year and has made managing the new landscape a priority.  Once the kid that went to Michigan asked for more than they were willing to spend for one guy, they basically went Money-ball and scooped up a ton of value elsewhere. 

So "people" say.  We'll see what the results on the field are.

I don't ever rule out the possibility that a legislature as corrupt as Louisiana's won't find a way to forcibly extract NIL from the public in the form of state revenue, and I'm being serious about that.  LSU's/LA legislature's history of misappropriating public funds to benefit the flagship university's football team has a.....colorful....past. 
Oh yeah, the state of Louisiana once stole money from a children's hospital to support LSU athletics.  Anything is possible.

I don't classify LSU as NIL-poor but it's just not in the top tier of SECSECSEC schools or national schools.

Both LSU and OU have top 10 petroleum engineering schools so I'm surprised that hasn't translated to more wealthy donors.

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« Reply #2566 on: Today at 10:40:15 AM »
Top NIL schools by conference are:

Oregon
tOSU
Michigan
USC

Texas
Texas A&M
Georgia
Tennessee
Florida

Miami
SMU

Texas Tech

Schools that you'd think would be NIL-rich but aren't:

OU
LSU
PSU
FSU

Schools that we knew would suffer most in NIL era:

Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss State
Curious what you’re sources are for these NIL listings. Lot of rumors and speculation. Not a lot of hard facts. 

Also I just wonder if there aren’t some under table deals still going on just to avoid the spotlight. 

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« Reply #2567 on: Today at 10:46:43 AM »
Curious what you’re sources are for these NIL listings. Lot of rumors and speculation. Not a lot of hard facts.

Also I just wonder if there aren’t some under table deals still going on just to avoid the spotlight.
I have a friend that is heavily involved in UT's NIL recruiting, he's got a lot of oil money from South Texas. Not billionaire money but he'll never have to work a day in his life. That's why he became a Methodist preacher instead.  An incredibly interesting character, I love hanging out with him.

Anyway when you're competing nationally against these other schools, you find out what the offers are, and where they're coming from.  You tend to know when you're getting outbid, who's doing it, and by how much.  Over the years you can put together the big picture.

And yeah there's still some under the table illegal bag game stuff going on, but the money is minor compared to NIL so it's not a major influence.

That could change if the CSC committee is actually able to shut down the NIL collectives, but as we've talked about at length on this thread, it's highly debatable that they'll be able to do so.

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« Reply #2568 on: Today at 10:50:57 AM »
Oh yeah, the state of Louisiana once stole money from a children's hospital to support LSU athletics.  Anything is possible.

I don't classify LSU as NIL-poor but it's just not in the top tier of SECSECSEC schools or national schools.

Both LSU and OU have top 10 petroleum engineering schools so I'm surprised that hasn't translated to more wealthy donors.

They either don't have them or they haven't needed them.  In the old paradigm, LSU's Ath. Dept. was one of the most profitable in the nation in any given year.  The football program generates $ like almost no one else, and LSU has the added benefit of one of the only baseball programs that doesn't siphon off the football revenue.  It seems like a highly profitable AD suggests a base capable of highly lucrative NIL structure, but I haven't thought that hard about it.  

One of the problems LSU potentially faces at the current moment, indisputably, is that it's well-documented that LSU was slower than others to embrace and plan for the NIL world.  They were behind the curve for a couple of years, and it showed.  This most recent recruiting cycle is the round that transpired after the collective come-to-Jesus meetings between university reps and local businesses and the hiring of some personnel whose sole job is to focus on managing the NIL landscape.  They did markedly better.  

The two unanswered questions are:  1)  Is it enough?  Or will it be enough with continued progress?  2)  NIL-world is now kinda old hat, from what I understand, what with all this new stuff about universities directly paying players.  I don't keep up with all of it anymore and I'm not qualified to guess at outcomes, but it sounds like it's all changing yet again, so LSU's efforts so far may be irrelevant due to yet another paradigm shift.  

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« Reply #2569 on: Today at 10:54:17 AM »
They either don't have them or they haven't needed them.  In the old paradigm, LSU's Ath. Dept. was one of the most profitable in the nation in any given year.  The football program generates $ like almost no one else, and LSU has the added benefit of one of the only baseball programs that doesn't siphon off the football revenue.  It seems like a highly profitable AD suggests a base capable of highly lucrative NIL structure, but I haven't thought that hard about it. 

One of the problems LSU potentially faces at the current moment, indisputably, is that it's well-documented that LSU was slower than others to embrace and plan for the NIL world.  They were behind the curve for a couple of years, and it showed.  This most recent recruiting cycle is the round that transpired after the collective come-to-Jesus meetings between university reps and local businesses and the hiring of some personnel whose sole job is to focus on managing the NIL landscape.  They did markedly better. 

The two unanswered questions are:  1)  Is it enough?  Or will it be enough with continued progress?  2)  NIL-world is now kinda old hat, from what I understand, what with all this new stuff about universities directly paying players.  I don't keep up with all of it anymore and I'm not qualified to guess at outcomes, but it sounds like it's all changing yet again, so LSU's efforts so far may be irrelevant due to yet another paradigm shift. 
This won't really change anything with respect to recruiting.  Currently under the House settlement, schools will be allowed to pay $20.5M per year to their athletes, directly.  But every school is allowed to do it, so it just becomes table stakes for remaining in the game.  It's true that schools that can't afford to pay it, will fall even further behind, but those schools weren't major players anyway.

So since everyone can pay it, NIL above and beyond that will still be the differentiator.

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« Reply #2570 on: Today at 10:59:32 AM »
This won't really change anything with respect to recruiting.  Currently under the House settlement, schools will be allowed to pay $20.5M per year to their athletes, directly.  But every school is allowed to do it, so it just becomes table stakes for remaining in the game.  It's true that schools that can't afford to pay it, will fall even further behind, but those schools weren't major players anyway.

So since everyone can pay it, NIL above and beyond that will still be the differentiator.

Da hell?

Is that just a cap, or something the rich schools anticipate as routine?  Pay 88 scholarship guys 20.5 mil and you've reached $1.8 billion.

Maybe Texas has that kinda $, I'm pretty sure LSU doesn't.   

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« Reply #2571 on: Today at 11:02:05 AM »
Da hell?

Is that just a cap, or something the rich schools anticipate as routine?  Pay 88 scholarship guys 20.5 mil and you've reached $1.8 billion.

Maybe Texas has that kinda $, I'm pretty sure LSU doesn't. 
It's $20.5M per year across the entire athletic department, not per person. :)

And it CAN be paid to all athletes, but for football schools the majority of it is going to be paid to football players.  Which is likely to upset some non-football-players and it also has potential Title IX implications-- the lawsuits are already being filed.

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« Reply #2572 on: Today at 11:32:20 AM »
In my view, the lawsuits would be shaky.

The whole argument for paying players in the past has been that they're due a share of the revenue they help generate, which the sport has seemed to either come to agree with, or at least ultimately caved to.  

So when non-revenue players start filing lawsuits, claiming they're entitled to a cut, I'd be looking at them and demanding they show how, exactly, they're generating any of this $20.5M they want a piece of.  



....I just ended two consecutive paragraphs with prepositions.  I can do better, but I don't feel like it, though it does make me a little sad inside.

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« Reply #2573 on: Today at 11:39:07 AM »
In my view, the lawsuits would be shaky.

The whole argument for paying players in the past has been that they're due a share of the revenue they help generate, which the sport has seemed to either come to agree with, or at least ultimately caved to. 

So when non-revenue players start filing lawsuits, claiming they're entitled to a cut, I'd be looking at them and demanding they show how, exactly, they're generating any of this $20.5M they want a piece of. 



....I just ended two consecutive paragraphs with prepositions.  I can do better, but I don't feel like it, though it does make me a little sad inside.

Sorry, those were actually two different thoughts I included in one sentence.

The first is, that the non-paid players might get upset.  This is certainly true.  To what extent it will affect anyone, I don't know.  And different schools are going to assign different pay scales based on their priorities.  A school like Duke might pay basketball players at a higher rate than other schools do. Where a school like Alabama is almost certainly going to pay football players the most, or all of it.  Managing the feelings and the rosters will be a new challenge to athletic departments and I expect some will handle it better than others, which could ultimately affect the caliber of play across multiple sports and not just football.

The second thought was around Title IX and lawsuits.  If the money is being paid primarily or entirely to an all-men's sport like football or men's basketball, then some of the female athletes are going to take exception to it.  We know this, because it's already happening, and the lawsuits are already being filed. 

I'm not sure where the courts are going to land on it, it'll be interesting to see how they interpret the direct pay to athletes, versus providing equitable scholarships to both men and women.

 

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