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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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MrNubbz

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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #2310 on: Today at 09:14:47 AM »
USC is a directional school.
Ya they're going South
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« Reply #2311 on: Today at 09:18:06 AM »
Houston is a commuter school.

USC is the most popular brand in a massive state, a college blueblood, located in one of the largest cities in the USA.

These are not even remotely comparable.


I like this, we're finding some interesting progress.

Each time someone brings up a Texas school in a big city, the answer is that the school is unusual or different or doesn't really fit the mold, and I think that might be the key. In addition to any other regional differences, the Big 4 Ca football schools are all out-of-mold schools, for different reasons. None are comps for Texas, Texas A&M, Wisconsin, Bama, etc. They're unlike those places because of where they are and the schools they are. When I have a break, I'll give a little rundown of each and why they are what they are. 

I will say, the bolded part is just not actually the point. Alabama can fill stadiums despite out there schools and low populations. If we look at the structure of CFB, it's highly arguable large cities are detrimental to building CFB brand. USC actually has a lot in common with Miami. Private schools. Very success and hype reliant. Miami's always struggling with attendance despite being a blue blood in a football hungry metro (attendance badly trails Iowa State and USC). Seems like a data point there. 

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« Reply #2312 on: Today at 09:25:49 AM »
There is no high attendance football program in a large (top 20) metro area.


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« Reply #2313 on: Today at 09:30:22 AM »
How about top 30?
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« Reply #2314 on: Today at 09:39:59 AM »
I like this, we're finding some interesting progress.

Each time someone brings up a Texas school in a big city, the answer is that the school is unusual or different or doesn't really fit the mold, and I think that might be the key. In addition to any other regional differences, the Big 4 Ca football schools are all out-of-mold schools, for different reasons. None are comps for Texas, Texas A&M, Wisconsin, Bama, etc. They're unlike those places because of where they are and the schools they are. When I have a break, I'll give a little rundown of each and why they are what they are.

I will say, the bolded part is just not actually the point. Alabama can fill stadiums despite out there schools and low populations. If we look at the structure of CFB, it's highly arguable large cities are detrimental to building CFB brand. USC actually has a lot in common with Miami. Private schools. Very success and hype reliant. Miami's always struggling with attendance despite being a blue blood in a football hungry metro (attendance badly trails Iowa State and USC). Seems like a data point there.


I like how you continue to be deliberately obtuse and avoid the actual topic.  It seems to be your specialty.

College football is less popular in California than in other places, including but not limited to Texas.

Why?

It's what cost the PAC its conference.  That seems important.

Not important in a global macroeconomy kind of way, or in a poor people are starving kind of way, but the type of important that resonates on a message board dedicated to... college football.

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« Reply #2315 on: Today at 09:41:16 AM »
How about top 30?
Just Austin. Columbus is 32nd. 

after that, it’s the 40s? Depending on how you feel about NC State and Norman-OKC.

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« Reply #2316 on: Today at 09:46:51 AM »
CFB enthusiasm exists in the midwest and southeast, basically, and not much at all elsewhere (if we include Texas and OU in SE).  


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« Reply #2317 on: Today at 09:47:48 AM »
There is no high attendance football program in a large (top 20) metro area.
I think it largely goes to the idea that college football cannot possibly dominate culture in such a place. 

Those of you who are more familiar with West Texas can probably school me about the HS football culture there. But IMHO the reason that HS football is such a big thing in these small towns is that the entire town gets involved in it. And why does the entire town get involved? Because the entire town gets involved--there will literally be nothing else to do on Friday nights. 

I think this is true of most "college towns" for football. I think of Lafayette. Not West Lafayette, where Purdue is located, but the city of Lafayette, across the river. My guess is that retail businesses, hotels, restaurants, etc ALL know when Purdue home games are scheduled. Because a Purdue home game--relative to normal economic activity in Lafayette--dominates on those days/weekends. And... We suck!

But Lafayette has a population of 70,000. If Purdue has an attendance of 45,000, and 2/3 of them travel into town for the game... That's half again the population of Lafayette. 

That means that a home football game in West Lafayette and Lafayette is a major event. And thus, people treat it like a major event. 

Compare that to USC. USC is in the Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim MSA, home to 12.8M people. Even if you filled the Coliseum with 100,000 fans, would the city notice? Nope. Not one bit. Most people around here have no clue whether USC or UCLA has a home game on any given weekend, because unless you're literally on either campus, it has no effect on your life. 

So I think it's hard for metropolitan schools to build that culture, that on home football Saturdays, the only thing going on in the town is football, so you'd better get on board with it. 

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« Reply #2318 on: Today at 09:57:02 AM »
i think Georgia Tech had a large following "back in the day", relative to city size.  Their stadium is one of the oldest in the country, and it was relatively large back when.

I think they filled it up with local Tech fans until Tech started being rather mediocre.  One thing that changed is the Tech student population which today is much more heavily Asian than in say 1960.  Much.

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« Reply #2319 on: Today at 10:09:52 AM »
I'm gonna go out on a limb and summarize this with Birmingham (pop 200K) has more college football fans than NYC (pop 8.2 mil).

But back on-topic...why build a huge stadium for one game a year (RB)?  Why build a huge stadium for 5-6 games you only fill 1/3 of the way?

That first question made me think about the Gator Bowl, a 2-game stadium for most of its existence.  But it wasn't big at the start (literally only 7K).  It was gradually added to over the years.  THAT makes sense.  

I just find it odd that USC and the RB (I was amazed to find UCLA only started playing in the RB in 1982 and separately that the Chicago Bears only started playing in Soldier Field in the 70s) basically employed a Field of Dreams If-you-build-it-they-will-come strategy.  

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« Reply #2320 on: Today at 10:21:37 AM »
I'm gonna go out on a limb and summarize this with Birmingham (pop 200K) has more college football fans than NYC (pop 8.2 mil).

But back on-topic...why build a huge stadium for one game a year (RB)?  Why build a huge stadium for 5-6 games you only fill 1/3 of the way?

That first question made me think about the Gator Bowl, a 2-game stadium for most of its existence.  But it wasn't big at the start (literally only 7K).  It was gradually added to over the years.  THAT makes sense. 

I just find it odd that USC and the RB (I was amazed to find UCLA only started playing in the RB in 1982 and separately that the Chicago Bears only started playing in Soldier Field in the 70s) basically employed a Field of Dreams If-you-build-it-they-will-come strategy. 
Both the Coliseum and the Rose Bowl were built in the 1920s. 

I'm not interested enough in it to really look at the history of either place, but I'm not arrogant enough to ask: "Why did they build it if it wasn't going to fill to the brim with college football fans in 2025, over a hundred years later?"

I'm assuming they had their reasons. 

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« Reply #2321 on: Today at 10:23:59 AM »
yup, many things are built for a one time event or for once a year or whatever
some things are done for good reason and don't look so good in hindsight
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« Reply #2322 on: Today at 10:39:18 AM »
Even stadiums in Austin, Columbus, Ann Arbor, or Gainesville only have 100K fans 6-8 times per year and sit empty the other 357 days.  Why build stadiums at all if they're going to be idle 98% of the time?


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« Reply #2323 on: Today at 10:43:53 AM »
Just Austin. Columbus is 32nd.

after that, it’s the 40s? Depending on how you feel about NC State and Norman-OKC.
75 percent of capacity or more, 2024:

Duke (75%)
Pitt
UNC
Louisville (83%)
ASU
Boston College (90%)

Miami
Rutgers
USC
Minnie
Cincy
UCF
BYU
Ohio State (101%)
SMU
Texas
Utah
Oklahoma
Kansas (104%)
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