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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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« Reply #2156 on: April 23, 2025, 11:07:03 AM »
the dollar figures small or large don't bother me - they've been around forever

it's the free agency and players moving enuff that you don't build that connection/bond

this hurt my relationship with MLB baseball first
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« Reply #2157 on: April 23, 2025, 11:08:35 AM »
I hear these contracts are non-binding .....that seems clear.  HA

Can non compete clauses be inserted into these NIL deals to restrict movement?  Would that hold up legally?

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« Reply #2158 on: April 23, 2025, 11:11:19 AM »
I hear these contracts are non-binding .....that seems clear.  HA

Can non compete clauses be inserted into these NIL deals to restrict movement?  Would that hold up legally?
Non-competes are illegal and unenforceable in some states, so those states would retain a natural advantage over states where non-competes are legal.  I don't think any school would want to put itself at a disadvantage by including those types of clauses, the athletes would just go elsewhere to a more attractive legal setting.

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« Reply #2159 on: April 23, 2025, 11:14:01 AM »
the dollar figures small or large don't bother me - they've been around forever

it's the free agency and players moving enuff that you don't build that connection/bond

this hurt my relationship with MLB baseball first
Yup, the free agency-- while great for the athletes themselves-- is pretty damaging to the fan relationship.

I have no doubt at this point we've entered the beginning of the end, where college football kills the goose laying the golden eggs.

I don't blame the players at all for wanting to be fairly compensated, as should be their legal right, but that also doesn't mean I'm going to stick around and remain interested in a product that I care less about with every passing day.

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« Reply #2160 on: April 23, 2025, 11:17:02 AM »
Non-competes are illegal and unenforceable in some states, so those states would retain a natural advantage over states where non-competes are legal.  I don't think any school would want to put itself at a disadvantage by including those types of clauses, the athletes would just go elsewhere to a more attractive legal setting.

There is some internet chatter that Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee will go after the Iamaleava family for repayment of some of their NIL money for not fulfilling their contracts.

Are they just pissing in the wind?  I figure they are, but would love to see the schools win in this case.

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« Reply #2161 on: April 23, 2025, 11:20:36 AM »
I don't blame the players at all for wanting to be fairly compensated, as should be their legal right, but that also doesn't mean I'm going to stick around and remain interested in a product that I care less about with every passing day.

Any data that you know of (or anyone else) that indicates how interest in the sport is trending with younger folks?  Anecdotally, I feel like early 20's and teenagers I know don't care about cfb the way me and my friends did.  

And it's not that all my friends were into cfb....they weren't.  But everyone was aware of it.  There was a general understanding in the population that in these parts, Ole Miss can geaux to hell, for example.  Now it's like if I said that, kids would just look at me blankly and wonder why I'm so toxic.  

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« Reply #2162 on: April 23, 2025, 11:22:05 AM »
There is some internet chatter that Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee will go after the Iamaleava family for repayment of some of their NIL money for not fulfilling their contracts.

Are they just pissing in the wind?  I figure they are, but would love to see the schools win in this case.
Well true NIL isn't-- and legally can't-- be tied directly to the schools.  But if it was fake NIL money from booster collectives, which a lot of it is, then I suppose those boosters could go after them for non-performance.  But the NIL deals explicitly can't be pay-for-play so the player would have to be breaking some OTHER part of the contract, like a requirement for live appearances for promotional purposes that were mandated in the contract and not fulfilled by the player.

I could see that happening.  You'd have to be really careful that the contract didn't have some other language that could potentially open up the boosters, or worse the school, to some unwanted legal exposure.

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« Reply #2163 on: April 23, 2025, 11:23:03 AM »
There is some internet chatter that Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee will go after the Iamaleava family for repayment of some of their NIL money for not fulfilling their contracts.

Are they just pissing in the wind?  I figure they are, but would love to see the schools win in this case.

Even if they don't win, maybe it would be a harbinger, and we'd see some of the crazy NIL deals slow a little bit as they recalibrate their investment strategy.  

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« Reply #2164 on: April 23, 2025, 11:23:19 AM »
There is some internet chatter that Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee will go after the Iamaleava family for repayment of some of their NIL money for not fulfilling their contracts.

Are they just pissing in the wind?  I figure they are, but would love to see the schools win in this case.
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« Reply #2165 on: April 23, 2025, 11:24:20 AM »
Ostensibly, any NIL contract would be separate from the university, I understand, so it would be up to the car dealer or whoever to enforce any contract.

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« Reply #2166 on: April 23, 2025, 01:03:46 PM »
Ostensibly, any NIL contract would be separate from the university, I understand, so it would be up to the car dealer or whoever to enforce any contract.
Real NIL money from an actual company seeking to use an athlete's name, image, and likeness for actual promotional purposes, wouldn't be tied to the university at all, and in the case of big-time sponsors, would likely travel with the athlete from school to school.  For example Quinn Ewers signed several NIL deals with various companies to promote their products, when he went to Ohio State.  When he made the move from Ohio State to Texas, he retained those sponsors.  Local brands wouldn't necessarily decide to re-up or follow an athlete, but national brands can do, and have done.

But much of the NIL money (and I'd opine, MOST of the NIL money) is coming from collectives that aren't officially tied to the university, but in reality, of course they are.  A Tennessee NIL collective will have no interest in paying a player headed to UCLA, for obvious reasons.  Most of the current deals are written as 1-year contracts and many of them have specific requirements for appearances or other deliverables, to hold the athlete accountable to the intended purpose of that collective's contract, which is to bind them to the school (but without openly admitting that, of course).

So there probably aren't too many cases of a "real" NIL sponsor using NIL for real purposes of promotion, experiencing an athlete breaching the contract.  Maybe a few local car dealerships or restaurants or bail bond services or whatever.

But the major money is either coming from huge national brands like Uber signing Arch Manning, or the university-specific NIL collectives.  The former wouldn't have much need to ever attempt to recover damages because there's no reason Uber wouldn't want to follow Arch Manning if he transferred from Texas to Ohio State, but the latter group of wealthy donors definitely would have a desire to pursue collecting damages, in the case of a breach of contract, when an athlete leaves your university early without fulfilling the deliverables in the contract.



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« Reply #2167 on: April 23, 2025, 04:55:17 PM »
makes me wonder how the NIL money from the "Crown" basketball tournament was laundered for the players
I mean that's about as legit as it gets
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« Reply #2168 on: April 23, 2025, 07:01:52 PM »
No conference is going to make a rule that cripples itself vis a vis other conferences.

The Big Ten has done it for years, playing 9 conference games. :)
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« Reply #2169 on: April 23, 2025, 07:08:11 PM »
My impression of a collective is that it comprises an assortment of car dealers, roofers, restaurants, law firms, etc. in or near the college town.  I'm sure some feature national brands as well, but they probably can be by themselves, not a collective.  I could be wrong.




 

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