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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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« Reply #2142 on: April 19, 2025, 04:16:17 PM »
It's almost like minor league sports shouldn't be funnelled through the public education system
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« Reply #2143 on: April 22, 2025, 08:43:00 PM »
So Imaleavin' goes to UCLA.  The App St QB they had coming in says F-that and is going to.....TENNESSEE!

You can't make this dumpster fire up.  FFS
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« Reply #2144 on: April 23, 2025, 07:52:38 AM »
I'm interested in pondering at what point I, and many like me, will stop paying attention.  I'm not there yet.  I'm obviously thinking about it.

CFB would still have a following of course, betting is one item I think enhances viewer interest.

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« Reply #2145 on: April 23, 2025, 08:00:30 AM »
I don't pay attention to players coming and going
wait until I see them on the field
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« Reply #2147 on: April 23, 2025, 09:27:01 AM »
I'm not even really sure any of this will matter to me on how I view college football.  I love the game itself, I love when the big schools have a show-down, even schools that I don't normally follow.  The "Big Money" has been present for years, we just didn't give it to the players.  We gave it to the coaches, AD's, construction for new facilities, everything else except the people who deserved it.  The biggest issue to me is that the NCAA refused to adapt anything  until it was too late.  They should have been slowly ramping up things like stipends and NIL from the 1990's onwards.  FFS, A&M is paying Jimbo Fisher $70+ MM to NOT coach football, we're not worried about paying the players.  

IMO, the only thing that needs to stop is this free agency situation, which I'm sure will happen very soon, within 1-3 years if not sooner.  

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« Reply #2148 on: April 23, 2025, 09:27:51 AM »
40 million divided by 105 = $380,952
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« Reply #2149 on: April 23, 2025, 09:30:18 AM »
IMO, the only thing that needs to stop is this free agency situation, which I'm sure will happen very soon, within 1-3 years if not sooner. 
I'm not sure the courts will agree with you.
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« Reply #2150 on: April 23, 2025, 09:30:51 AM »
40 million divided by 105 = $380,952
Is it 105 or 85?  Either way, it should have happened a long time ago.  

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« Reply #2151 on: April 23, 2025, 09:35:55 AM »
I used to like, and watch, college basketball.  I don't any more.  I used to watch some NBA games, there was a Chicago player I liked to watch.  I used to watch NFL games.  I attended an MLB game on Sunday and was musing about how I don't care to attend MLB games any more.  I watched zero Olympics, not a second.  My wife watched the opening and closing ceremonies so I probably inadvertently saw a bit of those.

No doubt part of this is just getting older and crabbier.

But I'm really thinking my time spent watching CFB is going way down this year, I'll still watch the Dawgs I reckon and then stop.  And I might cut even further, not that it matters to the sport.

$40 million.  It could be $10 million and I would be losing interest.


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« Reply #2152 on: April 23, 2025, 09:40:05 AM »
I'm not even really sure any of this will matter to me on how I view college football.  I love the game itself, I love when the big schools have a show-down, even schools that I don't normally follow.  The "Big Money" has been present for years, we just didn't give it to the players.  We gave it to the coaches, AD's, construction for new facilities, everything else except the people who deserved it.  The biggest issue to me is that the NCAA refused to adapt anything  until it was too late.  They should have been slowly ramping up things like stipends and NIL from the 1990's onwards.  FFS, A&M is paying Jimbo Fisher $70+ MM to NOT coach football, we're not worried about paying the players. 

IMO, the only thing that needs to stop is this free agency situation, which I'm sure will happen very soon, within 1-3 years if not sooner. 
The only thing that can stop the free agency situation, is unionization and collective bargaining.  I'm just not sure that's realistic to expect-- ever-- much less within 1-3 years.

Any rules the NCAA attempts to make restricting free agency will get struck down on anti-trust.

The individual conferences could make rules against free agency, most of them used to have a rule where you had to sit out a year if you transferred within conference, but one by one the conferences have eliminated or softened those rules.  I don't see it going the other way and, if any conference tried, any other conferences that did NOT adopt a similar rule, would instantly become more attractive to players.  No conference is going to make a rule that cripples itself vis a vis other conferences.

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« Reply #2153 on: April 23, 2025, 09:55:03 AM »
The only thing that can stop the free agency situation, is unionization and collective bargaining.  I'm just not sure that's realistic to expect-- ever-- much less within 1-3 years.

Any rules the NCAA attempts to make restricting free agency will get struck down on anti-trust.

The individual conferences could make rules against free agency, most of them used to have a rule where you had to sit out a year if you transferred within conference, but one by one the conferences have eliminated or softened those rules.  I don't see it going the other way and, if any conference tried, any other conferences that did NOT adopt a similar rule, would instantly become more attractive to players.  No conference is going to make a rule that cripples itself vis a vis other conferences.
Remember, the NCAA is a voluntary organization.  The schools have always had the power to change that.  And, the schools have always had the power to change the NCAA.  That being said, I don't ever see the schools leaving the NCAA, but I do see them differentiating football from everything else.  Maybe football and basketball, but more football.  
I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs behind the legal situation around unionization and collective bargaining, but my understanding is that the NCAA can no longer restrict the free trade between players and the schools.  The players have to voluntarily restrict themselves via unionization/CB.  So what?  Every other league does it, the NFL does it very successfully.  

I'm curious to see your reasoning behind never expecting CB or  unionization.  My guess is that when the viewership/interest starts to decline that will be the deciding factor.  

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« Reply #2154 on: April 23, 2025, 10:23:02 AM »
Remember, the NCAA is a voluntary organization.  The schools have always had the power to change that.  And, the schools have always had the power to change the NCAA.  That being said, I don't ever see the schools leaving the NCAA, but I do see them differentiating football from everything else.  Maybe football and basketball, but more football. 
I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs behind the legal situation around unionization and collective bargaining, but my understanding is that the NCAA can no longer restrict the free trade between players and the schools.  The players have to voluntarily restrict themselves via unionization/CB.  So what?  Every other league does it, the NFL does it very successfully. 

I'm curious to see your reasoning behind never expecting CB or  unionization.  My guess is that when the viewership/interest starts to decline that will be the deciding factor. 
Yes, of course the NCAA derives its power from its member schools.  That point is actually irrelevant because any move made by ALL the schools would be viewed as no different than a move made by the NCAA.  And any restrictions attempted to be placed on free agency, wouldn't hold up in court, without unionization and collective bargaining.  The NCAA is viewed as a monopoly and so its powers over the workplace market are being limited by the courts.

The conferences are not viewed as monopolies, because a player isn't forced to go to one particular conference in order to "find work."  If the conferences ever attempted to collude that would become another legal issue, but in reality if, say, the SEC and the B1G decided they wanted to restrict free agency and made rules to do so, it would be advantageous for the B12 and the ACC to NOT make those same rules, and thus become a more attractive marketplace for players.  Obviously the SEC and the B1G know this and aren't voluntarily going to make rules that punish themselves.

The reason I don't believe unionizing and CBA are going to happen any time soon, is because there's just too many people with different views and ideologies to make it happen.  The NBA and NFL and every other professional league are terrible comparisons, because they only have, what, around 30 teams each? And they're each run by a single governing body.

NCAA FBS football has something like 130 schools, and then there's another 130 FCS, and then there's almost 400 D1 basketball  programs, with around 100,000 athletes total, and then there's all of the OTHER non-revenue sports who are going to want to be included, and if you exclude them, then you're running the risk of more legal trouble and getting blasted in court.

So, no, I don't think it's realistic for all of those different schools, conferences, athletes, and sports, to all come to a reasonable conclusion on unionization and collective bargaining, any time in the near future, and probably, ever.

And the idea of "just break off football and/or basketball" leads to murky legal waters, but even if you did it, then I still don't think you can get those 400 schools across 20 different conferences and the 100,000 athletes in D1 alone, to come to agreement.

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« Reply #2155 on: April 23, 2025, 11:00:55 AM »
Yes, of course the NCAA derives its power from its member schools.  That point is actually irrelevant because any move made by ALL the schools would be viewed as no different than a move made by the NCAA.  And any restrictions attempted to be placed on free agency, wouldn't hold up in court, without unionization and collective bargaining.  The NCAA is viewed as a monopoly and so its powers over the workplace market are being limited by the courts.

The conferences are not viewed as monopolies, because a player isn't forced to go to one particular conference in order to "find work."  If the conferences ever attempted to collude that would become another legal issue, but in reality if, say, the SEC and the B1G decided they wanted to restrict free agency and made rules to do so, it would be advantageous for the B12 and the ACC to NOT make those same rules, and thus become a more attractive marketplace for players.  Obviously the SEC and the B1G know this and aren't voluntarily going to make rules that punish themselves.

The reason I don't believe unionizing and CBA are going to happen any time soon, is because there's just too many people with different views and ideologies to make it happen.  The NBA and NFL and every other professional league are terrible comparisons, because they only have, what, around 30 teams each? And they're each run by a single governing body.

NCAA FBS football has something like 130 schools, and then there's another 130 FCS, and then there's almost 400 D1 basketball  programs, with around 100,000 athletes total, and then there's all of the OTHER non-revenue sports who are going to want to be included, and if you exclude them, then you're running the risk of more legal trouble and getting blasted in court.

So, no, I don't think it's realistic for all of those different schools, conferences, athletes, and sports, to all come to a reasonable conclusion on unionization and collective bargaining, any time in the near future, and probably, ever.

And the idea of "just break off football and/or basketball" leads to murky legal waters, but even if you did it, then I still don't think you can get those 400 schools across 20 different conferences and the 100,000 athletes in D1 alone, to come to agreement.
Excellent points.  I think the next 3-5 years will either see the current situation improve, or continue with this wild west type atmosphere.  

 

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