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ELA · « **Reply #1246 on:** April 05, 2024, 02:03:47 PM »

Quote from: ELA on April 05, 2024, 09:17:46 AM

The visibility of the biggest stars. That's why the marquee games aren't the best teams, its the biggest stars.

That's what has also really killed college basketball for me. I used to love the tournament all the way through, even if my team was out, and my bracket was busted, because you knew the players.

This year it's Zach Edey, and a chubby kid from NC State who nobody knew until last weekend. UConn is the favorite to win back to back titles, and I think Klingan is the only guy on their roster I could even name

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #1247 on:** April 05, 2024, 02:56:52 PM »

https://footballscoop.com/news/every-fbs-school-ranked-by-how-attractive-theyd-be-in-conference-realignment

I don't completely agree with the rankings but it gives you an idea or at least a starting point.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1248 on:** April 05, 2024, 03:08:14 PM »

1. Ohio State -- 356
2. Michigan -- 337.4
3. Alabama -- 301.4
4. USC -- 296.4
5. Texas -- 282.2
6. Notre Dame -- 279.7
7. Georgia -- 269.9
8. Penn State -- 263.1
9. Florida -- 261.9
10. UCLA -- 260.4
11. Oklahoma -- 254.2
12. LSU -- 243.5
13. Texas A&M -- 242
14. Wisconsin -- 241.9
15. Stanford -- 225.7
16. Washington -- 224.5
17. Michigan State -- 223.9
18. Tennessee -- 220.6
19. Florida State -- 216.6
20. Clemson -- 211.1

We'd probably move some around no doubt, but it looks like a half decent start. This is sort of akin to "Helmet rankings" with recency bias. I put my Helmet teams in red just for fun. The blue teams are helmets in waiting, for me. I might find a slot for Auburn somewhere.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #1249 on:** April 05, 2024, 03:31:59 PM »

Another way to look at it, at this point I think every school is either SEC, B1G, or looking to get there:

tOSU, B1G 1
M, B1G 2
Bama, SEC 1
USC, B1G 3
Texas, SEC 2
Notre Dame, prospect 1
UGA, SEC 3
PSU, B1G 4
UF, SEC 4
UCLA, B1G 5
OU, SEC 5
LSU, SEC 6
aTm, SEC 7
Wisconsin, B1G 6
Stanford, prospect 2
Washington, B1G 7
MSU, B1G 8
Tennessee, SEC 8
FSU, prospect 3
Clemson, prospect 4
Iowa, B1G 9
Cal, prospect 5
UNL, B1G 10
UNC, prospect 6
Minnesota, B1G 11
Miami, prospect 7
Oregon, B1G 12
Pitt, prospect 8
Maryland, B1G 13
Arkansas, SEC 9
Auburn, SEC 10
Utah, prospect 9
Kentucky, SEC 11
Illinois, B1G 14
ASU, prospect 10
TCU, prospect 11
OkSU, prospect 12
Indiana, B1G 15
Purdue, B1G 16
Dook, prospect 13
Colorado, prospect 14
NCST, prospect 15
Ole Miss, SEC 12
UVA, prospect 16
Northwestern, B1G 17
VaTech, prospect 17
Mizzou, SEC 13
Zona, prospect 18
Rutgers, B1G 18
USCe, SEC 14

So the top-50 is comprised of:

The 18 current or about-to-be B1G schools
The 14 current or about-to-be SEC schools
18 prospects

I think we are on our way to two 24-team super-leagues meaning that the B1G needs six and the SEC needs 10 and those 16 likely come from the top-18 prospects listed above of:

Notre Dame
Stanford
FSU
Clemson
Cal
UNC
Miami
Pitt
Utah
ASU
TCU
OkSU
Dook
Colorado
NCST
UVA
VaTech
Zona

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #1250 on:** April 05, 2024, 04:05:44 PM »

I'm starting to think that there are some valuable potential additions left out west and that combined with the ability to keep a lid on travel costs may lead us to take two more Western teams thus to create a six-team West Pod something like this:

I picked Stanford because they are in the Bay Area and ASU because Phoenix is more populous than Tucson so I'd rather have ASU than Zona.

My theory (advanced earlier in this thread) is that the schedule for each team is:

The other five teams in your Pod/column (for USC this is Oregon, Washington, UCLA, Stanford, ASU)
The other three teams in your Group/row (for USC this is UNL, tOSU, and PSU) cumulative 8
One "floater" game that serves to balance SoS and for the four Pod Champions serves as a B1G Semi-Final

The schedule for the floater games would have a rotating host/visit structure between Pods and the four Pod Champions would play Semi-Finals to determine who goes to the B1GCG while the other five teams in each Pod would play 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4, 5vs5, 6vs6.

For Basketball your annual schedule would be:

The other five teams in your Pod/column twice each, 10 games
The other three teams in you Group/row twice each, 6 games, cumulative 16
Four of the other 15 teams in the league on a rotating basis once each, 4 games, 20 total.

Each school would have eight "rivals" that they played annually in football and twice annually in BB. I like that because there would at least be familiarity with those schools. What I do NOT like is that you would rarely or never play the other 15 schools in the league.

ELA · « **Reply #1251 on:** April 05, 2024, 04:08:44 PM »

If Stanford was that attractive, they wouldn't have just been thrown a life vest by a conference who has teams supposedly behind them trying to flee

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #1252 on:** April 05, 2024, 04:56:26 PM »

FWIW:
My BB Tournament proposal would be for the four Pod Champions to host the first three rounds. The Pod Champions would be determined based on records/tiebreakers and they would be seeded #1-#4. Then the rest of the teams would be seeded #5-#24. For an example I just used NET Ranking as a proxy for records and came up with:

So the games would be:
Tuesday:

#9 Northwestern vs #24 ASU at Purdue
#16 Minnesota vs #17 FSU at Purdue
#10 Virginia vs #23 Michigan at UNC
#15 USC vs #18 Indiana at UNC
#11 Iowa vs #22 Notre Dame at Illinois
#14 PSU vs #19 Rutgers at Illinois
#12 Washington vs #21 Stanford at Oregon
#13 Maryland vs #20 UCLA at Oregon

Wednesday:

#1 Purdue vs MN/FSU at Purdue
#8 tOSU vs NU/ASU at Purdue
#2 UNC vs USC/IU at UNC
#7 UNL vs UVA/M at UNC
#3 Illinois vs PSU/RU at Illinois
#6 MSU vs IA/ND at Illinois
#4 Oregon vs UMD/UCLA at Oregon
#5 Wisconsin vs Washington/Stanford at Oregon

Thursday:

PU/MN/FSU vs tOSU/NU/ASU at Purdue
UNC/USC/IU vs UNL/UVA/M at UNC
IL/PSU/RU vs MSU/IA/ND at Illinois
Oregon/UMD/UCLA vs UW(one of them)/Stanford at Oregon

The four Thursday winners meet for a four-team neutral-site B1G Tournament on Saturday and Sunday.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #1253 on:** April 05, 2024, 06:43:22 PM »

Altimore likes to deep-dive this stuff, and produces ALL the graphs and charts you could dream of, but he overvalues certain things, and that's how you wind up with a UCLA at 10th, lol.
But he puts the work in and you can always extract something useful from his stuff.
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Here's a fun one: the difference between OSU and Alabama is the same between Nebraska and Rutgers.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #1254 on:** April 06, 2024, 02:45:34 PM »

The NFL format is okay IF AND ONLY IF you play everyone else in your division/conference.

In the NFL, you play a bunch of teams twice, and possibly a third time in the playoffs.
You also have a bunch of non-division winners in there.

College football can have leagues/conferences or conferences/divisions, but the #1 most important difference is to keep the playoffs exclusive.
Even under the umbrellas of bloated, super conferences (B1G & SEC), we can keep the divisions regional/traditional and only champs get in, or champs and 1-2 total at-large teams.

The sanctity of the regular season is the key. It will either be reinstated or ignored to the detriment of the sport.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #1255 on:** April 06, 2024, 03:48:47 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 06, 2024, 02:45:34 PM

The NFL format is okay IF AND ONLY IF you play everyone else in your division/conference.

In the NFL, you play a bunch of teams twice, and possibly a third time in the playoffs.
You also have a bunch of non-division winners in there.

College football can have leagues/conferences or conferences/divisions, but the #1 most important difference is to keep the playoffs exclusive.
Even under the umbrellas of bloated, super conferences (B1G & SEC), we can keep the divisions regional/traditional and only champs get in, or champs and 1-2 total at-large teams.

The sanctity of the regular season is the key. It will either be reinstated or ignored to the detriment of the sport.

I would anticipate the highest league will continue to consolidate and shrink. Which means the teams play each other more, which means more losses. The playoffs will not shrink. They will stay or grow no matter if there are 130 teams or 20. The biggest question will be what sort of relationship exists among the top league and the teams that aren't in it. Glorified cannon fodder? Promotion/relegation? The soccer model makes sense because it makes playoffs among the lower teams something that works, plus provides meaningful stakes to the games.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #1256 on:** April 06, 2024, 04:18:37 PM »

Yeah. With that 80-team idea, with the 10 G5 relegation nonsense, it's much less about giving them a seat at the table and more about having some layup wins.

A couple of you guffaw at the haves needing their easy wins, but it's a real thing. It's easier to put 100,000 butts in seats when you go 13-1 and win the trophy than when you go 9-5 and win the same trophy. I'm not saying it's valid or rational, but it's real.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1257 on:** April 06, 2024, 04:22:25 PM »

I suspect "we" can speculate and propose and ponder this til the goats come home, or whatever. I'm going to just lie back and think of England.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #1258 on:** April 06, 2024, 05:06:11 PM »

The masses are ridiculous.
Entitled masses are more ridiculous.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1259 on:** April 06, 2024, 05:13:58 PM »

Well, no doubt the masses are impressed with your brilliance.

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