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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #378 on: June 07, 2023, 03:53:45 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 07, 2023, 03:44:01 PM
we've been through this

conference members come and go through history
They rarely get kicked out, and certainly not in the current era of billion dollar sports deals and multi billion dollar research grant access.

I predict there is zero chance the B1G could execute kicking them out without tying itself up in court for a decade and costing itself tens of millions of dollars.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #379 on: June 07, 2023, 04:18:44 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2023, 01:20:05 PM
Here is an alphabetical breakdown of teams in the B1G, in conference-only play.

Indiana, Maryland, Northwestern and Rutgers all below 40% winning. This is for all-time.

The last 3 decades look different.
First a question:
I note that Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers have slightly different records all-time and 1993-present but they wouldn't if this was games in the B1G only so I assume that it is actually "games against B1G teams"?

All time:
  • .751 Ohio State
  • .704 Michigan
  • .617 Penn State
  • .555 Michigan State
  • .513 Nebraska
  • .496 Wisconsin
  • .484 Iowa
  • .479 Purdue
  • .453 Minnesota
  • .423 Illinois
  • .380 Northwestern
  • .311 Indiana
  • .280 Maryland
  • .220 Rutgers

1993-2022 (30 years):
  • .827 Ohio State - same
  • .669 Michigan - same
  • .645 Wisconsin - up from #6
  • .623 Penn State - down from #3
  • .554 Iowa - up from #7
  • .546 Michigan State - down from #4
  • .505 Nebraska - down from #5
  • .454 Northwestern - up from #11
  • .411 Purdue - down from #8
  • .369 Minnesota - down from #9
  • .302 Illinois - down from #10
  • .294 Maryland - up from #13
  • .258 Indiana - down from #12
  • .182 Rutgers - same

This is more-or-less the answer to @Brutus Buckeye 's "helmetiness" question.  I'd arbitrarily move Nebraska up a couple spots (ahead of MSU and PSU) because their best years were pre-B1G.  

Drawing tiers, I'd go:
  • Ohio State and Michigan.  Ohio State is definitively ahead of Michigan but the Wolverines are a lot closer to the Buckeyes than they are to anyone behind this.  
  • Nebraska and Penn State.  Very close between these two.  
  • Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State.  Which of these is ahead is a question of eras.  Lately UW but Iowa during Hayden Fry's heyday and MSU in the 60's.  
  • Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, and Maryland.  I've arbitrarily moved Maryland ahead of Indiana and Northwestern because I *THINK* that their B1G era performance is a bit off from their historic abilities and they have an NC that is old but not altogether ancient.  
  • Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers.  

Of the soon-to-be-members, I would put USC in tier-1 and UCLA in tier-3.  

The 10 schools allegedly vetted for addition (see @Temp430 and @LittlePig posts above):
  • n/a
  • n/a
  • Stanford, Oregon, Washington, North Carolina, Miami
  • Cal, GaTech (their heyday was more than a century ago), Virginia, Utah
  • Dook

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #380 on: June 07, 2023, 04:27:22 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 07, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
First a question:
I note that Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers have slightly different records all-time and 1993-present but they wouldn't if this was games in the B1G only so I assume that it is actually "games against B1G teams"?

All time:
  • .751 Ohio State
  • .704 Michigan
  • .617 Penn State
  • .555 Michigan State
  • .513 Nebraska
  • .496 Wisconsin
  • .484 Iowa
  • .479 Purdue
  • .453 Minnesota
  • .423 Illinois
  • .380 Northwestern
  • .311 Indiana
  • .280 Maryland
  • .220 Rutgers

1993-2022 (30 years):
  • .827 Ohio State - same
  • .669 Michigan - same
  • .645 Wisconsin - up from #6
  • .623 Penn State - down from #3
  • .554 Iowa - up from #7
  • .546 Michigan State - down from #4
  • .505 Nebraska - down from #5
  • .454 Northwestern - up from #11
  • .411 Purdue - down from #8
  • .369 Minnesota - down from #9
  • .302 Illinois - down from #10
  • .294 Maryland - up from #13
  • .258 Indiana - down from #12
  • .182 Rutgers - same

This is more-or-less the answer to @Brutus Buckeye 's "helmetiness" question.  I'd arbitrarily move Nebraska up a couple spots (ahead of MSU and PSU) because their best years were pre-B1G. 

Drawing tiers, I'd go:
  • Ohio State and Michigan.  Ohio State is definitively ahead of Michigan but the Wolverines are a lot closer to the Buckeyes than they are to anyone behind this. 
  • Nebraska and Penn State.  Very close between these two. 
  • Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State.  Which of these is ahead is a question of eras.  Lately UW but Iowa during Hayden Fry's heyday and MSU in the 60's. 
  • Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, and Maryland.  I've arbitrarily moved Maryland ahead of Indiana and Northwestern because I *THINK* that their B1G era performance is a bit off from their historic abilities and they have an NC that is old but not altogether ancient. 
  • Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers. 

Of the soon-to-be-members, I would put USC in tier-1 and UCLA in tier-3. 

The 10 schools allegedly vetted for addition (see @Temp430 and @LittlePig posts above):
  • n/a
  • n/a
  • Stanford, Oregon, Washington, North Carolina, Miami
  • Cal, GaTech (their heyday was more than a century ago), Virginia, Utah
  • Dook


You assume correctly. I did not take the time to see how many times PSU kicked Rutgers' ass before RU joined, for example. Or how many times UNL put a beating on B1G teams in bowl games.
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« Reply #381 on: June 07, 2023, 05:13:40 PM »
Report: 'Requirement' For Big Ten Membership Is Not Accurate (msn.com)
Report: 'Requirement' For Big Ten Membership Is Not Accurate (msn.com)
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #382 on: June 08, 2023, 08:12:26 AM »
The 2024-25 football scheduling model for the 16-team Big Ten, as well as home and away opponents, will be unveiled Thursday afternoon.
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« Reply #383 on: June 08, 2023, 09:48:23 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 07, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
Drawing tiers, I'd go:
  • Ohio State and Michigan.  Ohio State is definitively ahead of Michigan but the Wolverines are a lot closer to the Buckeyes than they are to anyone behind this. 
  • Nebraska and Penn State.  Very close between these two. 
  • Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State.  Which of these is ahead is a question of eras.  Lately UW but Iowa during Hayden Fry's heyday and MSU in the 60's. 
  • Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, and Maryland.  I've arbitrarily moved Maryland ahead of Indiana and Northwestern because I *THINK* that their B1G era performance is a bit off from their historic abilities and they have an NC that is old but not altogether ancient. 
  • Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers. 

Of the soon-to-be-members, I would put USC in tier-1 and UCLA in tier-3. 


USC has won two Pac titles in 15 years. UCLA haven't won any.

Flashback. Penn State is gonna run roughshod over the Big Ten. Flash forward. 4 titles in 30 years.

Flashback. Nebraska is gonna run roughshod over the Big Ten. Flash forward. No titles in 12 years. Closest they got was a trip to Indy and got 70 dropped on them.

Flash forward. USC is gonna run roughshod over the Big Ten. Flashback. Good luck with that.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #384 on: June 08, 2023, 09:50:47 AM »
they might have said that about PSU back when joining

no one said that about UNL - maybe in the 90s, but not when they joined

I haven't heard anyone say that about USC
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #385 on: June 08, 2023, 10:05:58 AM »
Go back and look on the UNL boards from 2010-11.

Go take a look at the USC boards today.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #386 on: June 08, 2023, 10:21:20 AM »
I only know smart, cool Huskers like Fearless these days.  And none of them thought they'd run roughshod over the B1G.  Maybe the Husker Prick Squad said otherwise, but why would anyone subject themselves to that kind of mindless abuse, anyway?

I don't know any USC fans. But they should be every bit as humbled as I feel as a Longhorn fan, after the past decade+.


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« Reply #387 on: June 08, 2023, 10:22:55 AM »
I knew better back in 2010-11.

I know better today

so do the majority

don't allow the delusional to bother you
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« Reply #388 on: June 08, 2023, 10:26:56 AM »
the USC fans might think the Trojans can win the West division, but very few fan bases think their squad is gonna run over OSU and MU and even PSU

the West Div is in a bit of a slump.
new coaching staffs at Purdue, Wisconsin, and Nebraska
Brian Ferentz at Iowa
Northwestern looking not so good.
Then Bret and the carnival guy
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« Reply #389 on: June 08, 2023, 10:49:07 AM »
There won't be any divisions.

Even the talking heads were pumping UNL sunshine before they joined. Made my blood boil.
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« Reply #390 on: June 08, 2023, 11:16:13 AM »
talkin heads might be the most delusional of all
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #391 on: June 08, 2023, 11:18:00 AM »
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