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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #210 on: May 22, 2023, 09:37:17 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 22, 2023, 07:28:05 AM
 folks slinging selective data across the way and ignoring anything contrary to that.
That's literally every argument here....
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« Reply #211 on: May 22, 2023, 10:06:54 AM »
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #212 on: May 22, 2023, 10:07:57 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2023, 09:37:17 AM
That's literally every argument here....
When you use the term "literally", what do you mean by it?  Do you literally mean "Literally"?
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #213 on: May 22, 2023, 10:08:41 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on May 22, 2023, 09:30:22 AM


And sounds like PSU, Mich, MSU and OSU were getting picked on especially with these new night games or Black Friday games in 2023,  when I think the expectation was for USC and UCLA to get more of the Sat night home games in Nov, which may become true in 2024.
the teams with the best TV ratings?
not a shocker
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #214 on: May 22, 2023, 12:15:16 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on May 22, 2023, 08:57:47 AM
Yes,  the article paints a picture that Big Ten Admins and coaches did not know there was going to be Sat night games in November,  when it's clear the new TV contract calls for that.

I think what they are really saying is that when the TV contract was being negotiated,  the universities never were consulted about giving up this clause to not play on Sat Night in November.  So in their minds they never gave up that clause.  Still in the end,  every single University President signed off on the contract.  So who is really the bad guy here?  I still say Kevin Warren for not doing a thorough job just like COVID.

Oh I think blame can be passed around to numerous people, but the guy at the top is where the lion's share needs to be.

The whole rumor that UT and OU approached the B1G first only to have Warren shut it down without consulting the rest of the league, and then get get knee jerked forced into taking two west coast programs.. Horrible.

The whole I'm all for my kid playing in the SEC, while going out of my way to cancel the B1G season. Horrible.

I'll sign off on a TV contract selling the Title Game rights to two different companies. Horrible.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #215 on: May 22, 2023, 01:14:37 PM »
Is it possible for the Bears to suck even more than they do?

Yes, now that Kevin Warren is the CEO.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #216 on: May 22, 2023, 01:21:10 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 22, 2023, 01:14:37 PM
Is it possible for the Bears to suck even more than they do?

Yes, now that Kevin Warren is the CEO.
sucks for Bears fans, but hey at least he's not the B1G CEO anymore....
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« Reply #217 on: May 22, 2023, 01:23:06 PM »
Very true. The Bears manage to occupy less of my team as each year goes by.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #218 on: May 22, 2023, 01:43:24 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 22, 2023, 09:02:14 AM
Saturday night games were going to be worth some BIG $$$

so, regardless of the communication, it was going to happen

probably just more bitchin than anything else

we all know TV networks set the schedule and time slots for kickoffs
The other thing that makes the Saturday night complaint seem fake is that it seems obvious that as you add inventory you pretty much HAVE to split it up more or else all your games are on at once.

With 14 teams you are playing a maximum of seven games so even when you take the 8pm slot off the board you still have noon and 3:30 so 3-4 games at a time. If you go to 20 teams you'll have some Saturdays with 10 games so even when using all three times timeslots you'll still have 3-4 games at a time. I would guess that some of the PST vs PST games will end up at 11pm EST which would be 8pm locally just to spread them out and get more total viewers because some EST and CST team fans will stay up late due to having a rooting interest in one of the 11pm games and some PST team fans will start watching over their cornflakes because they have a rooting interest in an EST/CST game. 

That gets you four slots with minimal overlap (times are EST):
  • noon, 3 games
  • 3:30pm, 3 games
  • 8pm, 3 games
  • 11pm, 1 game

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #219 on: May 22, 2023, 01:59:07 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on May 22, 2023, 01:43:24 PM
The other thing that makes the Saturday night complaint seem fake is that it seems obvious that as you add inventory you pretty much HAVE to split it up more or else all your games are on at once.

With 14 teams you are playing a maximum of seven games so even when you take the 8pm slot off the board you still have noon and 3:30 so 3-4 games at a time. If you go to 20 teams you'll have some Saturdays with 10 games so even when using all three times timeslots you'll still have 3-4 games at a time. I would guess that some of the PST vs PST games will end up at 11pm EST which would be 8pm locally just to spread them out and get more total viewers because some EST and CST team fans will stay up late due to having a rooting interest in one of the 11pm games and some PST team fans will start watching over their cornflakes because they have a rooting interest in an EST/CST game.

That gets you four slots with minimal overlap (times are EST):
  • noon, 3 games
  • 3:30pm, 3 games
  • 8pm, 3 games
  • 11pm, 1 game


Yes,  this where adding more West Coast teams will help.  Even getting USC and UCLA in the mix in 2024 will help a lot.  Every other year you get ND @USC on Thanksgiving weekend Sat night.  Other years you get USC-UCLA.  Maybe you can alternate Mich, OSU, PSU visiting USC on a Sat night in mid-November.  Some of these problems might simply go away.

Of course this will mean Fox can't show any Big noon games at USC or UCLA.  I am also guessing USC and UCLA don't want to play in any cold Midwestern night games in November.  So USC and UCLA might have their own special clauses that trip up Fox and NBC.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #220 on: May 22, 2023, 01:59:36 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 22, 2023, 10:07:57 AM
When you use the term "literally", what do you mean by it?  Do you literally mean "Literally"?
You're going off the rails a bit.  
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #221 on: May 22, 2023, 06:52:04 PM »
Yes,  Wisc and PSU already are planning  to add heated fields in 2024.  That won't help the fans stay warm,  but at least the teams will be comfy.  Maybe it's time for OSU, Mich and MSU to do the same.  If not,  there are NFL stadiums a couple of hours down the road. 
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #222 on: May 23, 2023, 07:04:03 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on May 22, 2023, 06:52:04 PM
Yes,  Wisc and PSU already are planning  to add heated fields in 2024.  That won't help the fans stay warm,  but at least the teams will be comfy.  Maybe it's time for OSU, Mich and MSU to do the same.  If not,  there are NFL stadiums a couple of hours down the road. 
Well, now we know at least two schools didn't object to night games in November.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #223 on: May 23, 2023, 09:10:18 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2023, 07:04:03 AM
Well, now we know at least two schools didn't object to night games in November.
Yes, I think the original idea was to upgrade the stadiums to be "winter-ready" just in case the teams ends up hosting a first round playoff game in the CFP.    Another reason these recent protests about November night games seem a little fake. 

All Big Ten teams know the CFP on-campus Mid-December games are coming in 2024 and some of those games will be at night.  Do you really think Mich or OSU or MSU are going to turn down a chance to host a CFP game in mid-December?  Maybe the CFP will try to schedule cold-weather games in the afternoon instead but usually TV is king in these decisions. 
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