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MrNubbz

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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2018, 12:49:11 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on December 05, 2018, 12:35:04 PM
Some coaches should and have learned from Gary Barnett's, Brett Bielema's experiences, contrasted with Bill Snyder's and Pat Fitzgerald's experiences. If you stay where you have had success at the P-5 level, that may be the best thing for your career, and may even maximize lifetime income. There is no guarantee Matt Campbell will be successful at another job. He has the Iowa State job figured out. Even if he were successful there are schools like Ohio State that fired Earl Bruce, and John Cooper, who each had success.
If you make over a million a year, the utility of the next million is not near the utility you get out of the first million. A failed stint would put you right back into an assistant's job, or out-of-work.
Point taken but Campbell is an Ohio guy and seems to have an upward trajectory.He would have been worth the risk according to a lot of people.And if you swing and miss(at a CFB blue blood)  someone else will always be willing to take a chance on you.Now if I was at K-State or Ia St. I'd be perfectly happy on putting down roots and staying there - depends on the individual I guess
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2018, 01:03:57 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 05, 2018, 12:41:37 PM
Urban has serious health issues. My guess is he takes 2-3 years off to re-coup and then you’ll see him coaching for a helmet that has an opening and that’ll be his last job.
This makes sense he'll feel better away from the grind - then give it a final shot
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2018, 01:07:14 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 05, 2018, 12:48:46 PM
In general I agree with your point but at some of these jobs the numbers get so big that the possibility of being back to being an assistant and/or out of work at the end of one contract really doesn't matter.  
If I'm making say $1 Million a year at a school that really can't pay me any more and I get a five year contract offer at $5 Million/year with the buyout being the full contract, that is $25 Million in (almost) guaranteed money.  It would take me 25 years to make that if I stayed where I was.  Even if I experience a failed stint and get fired in three years, I still collect the $25 Million contract and I never have to work again.  
Seriously, I'd probably pay ~50% in taxes so that knocks it down to $12.5 Million.  The current rate on 30 year US Treasuries (ie, taking basically zero risk) is 3.30%.  If I invested half of my after-tax $12.5 Million in US Treasury Bonds I'd collect $206,250 per year without ever dipping into the principal.  That still leaves me $6,250,000 after tax to live on while coaching (well over $1 Million/year).  On top of that, the upside is even better.  If I get just one contract extension (5 more years, another $25 Million) that doubles it and I now have over $400k/year at basically no risk.  
Understood. Matt Campbell is at $3.5M guarantee at Iowa State, and for 2018 there is a $7M buyout. Ohio State made an economical decision, and maybe Day is the best man for the job. We'll know soon enough.
Urban Meyer was great for football in the Big Ten. He forced the entire Big Ten to improve.
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2018, 01:12:54 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on December 05, 2018, 12:35:04 PM
Some coaches should and have learned from Gary Barnett's, Brett Bielema's experiences, contrasted with Bill Snyder's and Pat Fitzgerald's experiences. If you stay where you have had success at the P-5 level, that may be the best thing for your career, and may even maximize lifetime income. There is no guarantee Matt Campbell will be successful at another job. He has the Iowa State job figured out. Even if he were successful there are schools like Ohio State that fired Earl Bruce, and John Cooper, who each had success.
If you make over a million a year, the utility of the next million is not near the utility you get out of the first million. A failed stint would put you right back into an assistant's job, or out-of-work.
This interests me becuase everyone mentioned is kinda different, and the Barnett-Campbell thing is fascinating. 
You could say, Campbell figured out ISU. Or perhaps he’s got them at their best, and there are tougher times ahead. Barnett won two big ten titles, then slipped to 5-7 and 3-9. 
Then he left, ended up kind fine at Colorado. He was let go for some kinds of rule breaking, and the fact the program slipped, but that’ll happen with the dudes he replaced. Then the guys after him went 25-61.
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2018, 01:46:23 PM »
the difference between most of these coaches and those at the very top is competitive drive.  it's the same mechanism that brings a five star to a program with a five star in his slot- to prove he's better.  Campbell may be successful at ISU because he's 'figured it out', or, it may be he's 'comfortable'... truly competitive people- not those with a competitive streak but those as their key identity- won't 'settle'.  instead they want to see what can stop them and if they can overcome it.  every single coach at the very top is a competitor as defining characteristic.  

it isn't by accident or by some strange condition making them a savant of schemes, it's that they found themselves in the field through whatever happenstance and then rose by challenging themselves.  if these guys were attorneys, they're the attorneys at the top of their discipline... if they were farmers, they would have the most production possible.  it's personality proven by results not boasts.  

Does Ryan Day have that kind of drive?  Is it enough, all by itself, to keep him from believing he needs to hedge by flirting with rules?  this is kind of the questions i'd be concerned with if i were a tOSU fan.  he's about to get a shot at it, and perhaps not a shot 'earned' by coaches like Meyer who rose through the ranks proving every step along the way. 
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2018, 01:53:26 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on December 04, 2018, 03:24:06 PM
And the difference this year is that the QB can actually get the ball to them without having the receiver stop his route and have to come back to get it.
There is one more difference in the receiving core this year too. They don't have Bluto coaching them anymore. "Fat, Drunk, and Stupid is no way to go through life son."
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2018, 02:05:38 PM »
Quote from: HailHailMSP on December 05, 2018, 01:53:26 PM
There is one more difference in the receiving core this year too. They don't have Bluto coaching them anymore. "Fat, Drunk, and Stupid is no way to go through life son."
yup. Brian Hartline has been a massive improvement over the drunk wife beater.
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2018, 02:26:26 PM »
just do an all-time Urban at OSU team...wow.

QB- Dwayne Haskins (1st round lock)
RB- Zeke Elliot (1st round)
RB- Carlos Hyde (2nd round)
WR- Michael Thomas (2nd round)
WR- Devin Smith (2nd round)
WR- Paris Campbell (probably 2nd or 3rd)
TE- Jeff Heurman (3rd round)
OT- Taylor Decker (1st round)
OG- Andrew Norwell (undrafted-how??? NFL All-Pro team last year)
C- Pat Elflein (3rd round)
OG- Billy Price (1st round)
OT- Jamarco Jones (5th round)

DE- Joey Bosa (1st round)
DE- Nick Bosa (1st round lock)
DT- Dre'Mont Jones (probably 1st or 2nd rd)
DT-Jonathan Hankins (2nd round)
LB- Darron Lee (1st round)
LB- Raekwon McMillan (2nd round)
LB- Ryan Shazier (1st round)
CB- Gareon Conley (1st round)
CB- Marshon Lattimore (1st round)
NB- Denzel Ward (1st round)
S- Vonn Bell (2nd round)
S- Malik Hooker (1st round)

No wonder why the guy won a shit load of games.
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2018, 02:44:24 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 05, 2018, 02:26:26 PM
just do an all-time Urban at OSU team...wow.

QB- Dwayne Haskins (1st round lock)
RB- Zeke Elliot (1st round)
RB- Carlos Hyde (2nd round)
WR- Michael Thomas (2nd round)
WR- Devin Smith (2nd round)
WR- Paris Campbell (probably 2nd or 3rd)
TE- Jeff Heurman (3rd round)
OT- Taylor Decker (1st round)
OG- Andrew Norwell (undrafted-how??? NFL All-Pro team last year)
C- Pat Elflein (3rd round)
OG- Billy Price (1st round)
OT- Jamarco Jones (5th round)

DE- Joey Bosa (1st round)
DE- Nick Bosa (1st round lock)
DT- Dre'Mont Jones (probably 1st or 2nd rd)
DT-Jonathan Hankins (2nd round)
LB- Darron Lee (1st round)
LB- Raekwon McMillan (2nd round)
LB- Ryan Shazier (1st round)
CB- Gareon Conley (1st round)
CB- Marshon Lattimore (1st round)
NB- Denzel Ward (1st round)
S- Vonn Bell (2nd round)
S- Malik Hooker (1st round)

No wonder why the guy won a shit load of games.
Nice list, but not all those guys were Urban's recruits.  Shazier, Hyde, Heurman were part of Tressels group I believe, none the less, still a great list of Buckeye's!
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2018, 02:57:24 PM »
Tyquan Lewis,Sam Hubbard,Jalyn Smith went 2,3,4 rds last april
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2018, 03:11:26 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 05, 2018, 08:28:57 AM
I thought Matt Campbell would be the wise and likely target.But Day is an up and comer and would have gotten offers.The program for the most part isn't broken just HC leaving.Bringing in another coach may involve a personnel over all.That probably would have been a bane to recruiting.So I understand this route - a seamless transfer.Thought for sure Urbz would step down next season and the AD would go after Campbell.I'll bet Matt Campbell today is maybe a little taken back as his named surfaced alot - but he'll find a top 10-15 gig in the near future
I agree, I also thought an open search would have occurred, but then again the politics of the game have a huge factor to play as well.  Matt Campbell would have been one name I would not have been surprised with at all, and I think he would be a good choice.  Ohio guy, knows the game, has HEAD COACHING experience, a good recruiter from what I have been told, and a would have have jumped at the chance.
The coaching overall with Day will happen anyway.  I will be surprised if Schiano stays.  Wilson will stay, be surprised if he leaves, he has a good gig for now and don't think the IU mess has blown over for him just yet.  Grinch will be a question mark, he wants a H/C spot as well, but like Wilson has a good gig, but sitting with Co title may not do well in keeping.  Hartline will be a solid stay for awhile.  Studrawa will depart.  The biggest loss could be Larry Johnson.  With the DL success tOSU has had lately, lossing him would be a huge blow to Day and could be a ship sinker for him in the future.  LB coach needs to go, I know they were a young unit, but I don't think Davis was able to make the transition from the NFL mindset to the college concept.  The unit just did not seem to be as fundamental and solid as previous years.  I hope Day can find a college type mind set to come in and coach that unit.
As to Urban, I was not surprised at all!  I don't like the timing, and IF thye would have been a CFP team, I wonder if he would have still made the announcement at this time.  My feeling is that if they would have lost to Michigan a few weeks ago, he would have announced his retirement that weekend.  I am sure his health is an issue, as everyone in the world has talked about, however, I don't think its the end of his coaching career.  I expect to see him on the sidelines in 2020.  I don't think his ego can handle an administrative type job like Tressel. (not Univeristy President, but AD type).  My guess is still Notre Dame.  I would also see somewhere South-LSU, Miami, maybe even FSU.  An easy recruiting area, a football rich program, with an easy build/rebuild.  Don't see him in the NFL, not his style.  Regardless the all coach speak (and he may love Columbus, my Uncle did even after Cooper and Robert Smith screwed him) I just do not see him staying in the mid west area.  Thanks for the years, the Wins and the run Coach Meyer, but you are done, and so am I, on to the next coaching era, and here is hoping we do not have a Rich Rod/Hoke run. 
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2018, 03:12:13 PM »
Quote from: HailHailMSP on December 05, 2018, 01:53:26 PM
There is one more difference in the receiving core this year too. They don't have Bluto coaching them anymore. "Fat, Drunk, and Stupid is no way to go through life son."
Agreed. There were a couple of things involved, but if the QB cannot get the ball to a receiver no matter how open he is, the receiver's coach is not to blame. 
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2018, 03:23:50 PM »
Quote from: Roaddawg on December 05, 2018, 03:11:26 PM

The coaching overall with Day will happen anyway.  I will be surprised if Schiano stays.  Wilson will stay, be surprised if he leaves, he has a good gig for now and don't think the IU mess has blown over for him just yet.  Grinch will be a question mark, he wants a H/C spot as well, but like Wilson has a good gig, but sitting with Co title may not do well in keeping.  Hartline will be a solid stay for awhile.  Studrawa will depart.  The biggest loss could be Larry Johnson.  With the DL success tOSU has had lately, lossing him would be a huge blow to Day and could be a ship sinker for him in the future.  LB coach needs to go, I know they were a young unit, but I don't think Davis was able to make the transition from the NFL mindset to the college concept.  
Ideally LJ and Grinch stay(as I think he has a good upside)Davis and Schiano hopefully find work elsewhere.Don't know who was responsible for Borland/Werner seeing so many snaps at LB but is one of those two and Schiano should have over ruled it.Grinch was prolly gritting his teeth
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2018, 03:27:54 PM »
Quote from: Roaddawg on December 05, 2018, 03:11:26 PM
 Regardless the all coach speak (and he may love Columbus, my Uncle did even after Cooper and Robert Smith screwed him) I just do not see him staying in the mid west area.  Must have missed it but who is your uncle RD?

and here is hoping we do not have a Rich Rod/Hoke run.  Go Bucks! Don't even entertain those negative waves
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