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Brutus Buckeye

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« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2018, 09:04:36 AM »
Also mimicking Florida with Muschamp, which didn't work out very well for them.

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« Reply #71 on: December 05, 2018, 09:12:48 AM »
Promoting Day is mimicking what OU did 2 years ago, and it's worked out pretty well for them.
Promoting from within is nothing new Bowden/Fisher at FSU.Sometimes it is the way to go specially in CFB where there is recruiting to consider
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« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2018, 09:42:11 AM »
Promoting from within is nothing new Bowden/Fisher at FSU.Sometimes it is the way to go specially in CFB where there is recruiting to consider
Bielema too.
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« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2018, 09:45:07 AM »
I'd say Urban is a better offensive mind than Saban.    Saban's results say he's a better HC, but I'd support the argument that Urban was the better offensive mind.  

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« Reply #74 on: December 05, 2018, 09:47:16 AM »
I'd say Urban is a better offensive mind than Saban.    Saban's results say he's a better HC, but I'd support the argument that Urban was the better offensive mind.  
Agree. Saban has his process, and it's outstanding. Everything is delegated and managed properly.
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« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2018, 11:03:44 AM »
I know nothing, but trying to take a bit of a different perspective on Urban Retiring.

In my Life time, I've know nothing but OSU firing their head football coach. Urban survived a huge scandal, I doubt he would have survived another one. 

I think head coaches can try to instill a cultural of doing things the right way (and I think Urban was doing this,) but there is no way you can keep 150+ people always in check. One more slip up and I think he would have been fired. His retirement may just be him making sure he is leaving on his terms.

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« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2018, 11:44:03 AM »
Urban is the best offensive head coach of his era. And it’s not close.

Saban is the only coach I’d put ahead of him.
Well, Urban is 2-1 against Purdue, while Saban is only 1-3-1 and in a 3-game losing streak vs the Boilers.
Ergo, Urban is clearly better. 

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« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2018, 11:57:37 AM »
I know nothing, but trying to take a bit of a different perspective on Urban Retiring.

In my Life time, I've know nothing but OSU firing their head football coach. Urban survived a huge scandal, I doubt he would have survived another one.

I think head coaches can try to instill a cultural of doing things the right way (and I think Urban was doing this,) but there is no way you can keep 150+ people always in check. One more slip up and I think he would have been fired. His retirement may just be him making sure he is leaving on his terms.
I get it. Nothing wrong with wondering- even out loud 
I just get frustrated when the facts are brushed aside.  The cyst induced headaches are factually proven and known to be aggravated by tension and stress. And they are also known to be incredibly painful when they flare up. Now it might be things outside the field that added to the tension and stress, and urban admitted as much yesterday,  but he flatly explain that that is the primary reason for him to call it a day right now. That combined with leaving the program in such great shape, with good recruiting, a young team that’s already one a big 10 championship and a coach who they are excited about to move the program forward    That is the epitome of leaving on your own terms   
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« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2018, 12:12:30 PM »
I wonder who was the last to leave on his own terms. 

They say it was Paul Brown, but I don't really consider fighting in WWII to be leaving on your own terms.

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« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2018, 12:35:04 PM »
I thought Matt Campbell would be the wise and likely target.But Day is an up and comer and would have gotten offers.The program for the most part isn't broken just HC leaving.Bringing in another coach may involve a personnel over all.That probably would have been a bane to recruiting.So I understand this route - a seamless transfer.Thought for sure Urbz would step down next season and the AD would go after Campbell.I'll bet Matt Campbell today is maybe a little taken back as his named surfaced alot - but he'll find a top 10-15 gig in the near future
Some coaches should and have learned from Gary Barnett's, Brett Bielema's experiences, contrasted with Bill Snyder's and Pat Fitzgerald's experiences. If you stay where you have had success at the P-5 level, that may be the best thing for your career, and may even maximize lifetime income. There is no guarantee Matt Campbell will be successful at another job. He has the Iowa State job figured out. Even if he were successful there are schools like Ohio State that fired Earl Bruce, and John Cooper, who each had success.
If you make over a million a year, the utility of the next million is not near the utility you get out of the first million. A failed stint would put you right back into an assistant's job, or out-of-work.

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« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2018, 12:38:35 PM »
I'd say Urban is a better offensive mind than Saban.    Saban's results say he's a better HC, but I'd support the argument that Urban was the better offensive mind.  
Yeah which is what I said lol.
I think Urban is the best offensive mind of his era and the 2nd best overall head coach. Saban probably doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Meyer when it comes to offensive football- but he’s a defensive master and no one recruits or hires assistants better. Saban is clearly the top dog of his era and maybe every era.

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« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2018, 12:38:46 PM »
I wonder who was the last to leave on his own terms.

They say it was Paul Brown, but I don't really consider fighting in WWII to be leaving on your own terms.
It wasn't, I'm pretty sure he was drafted.  

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« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2018, 12:41:37 PM »
Urban absolutely left on his own terms. No way OSU forced him out imo. Doesn’t make sense. Especially after he got them to 12-1 and owned Michigan- yet again. 

IF they were going to force him out they would’ve fired him after the ZS investigation and not suspended him for a measly 3 games.

Urban has serious health issues. My guess is he takes 2-3 years off to re-coup and then you’ll see him coaching for a helmet that has an opening and that’ll be his last job.

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« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2018, 12:48:46 PM »
If you make over a million a year, the utility of the next million is not near the utility you get out of the first million. A failed stint would put you right back into an assistant's job, or out-of-work.
In general I agree with your point but at some of these jobs the numbers get so big that the possibility of being back to being an assistant and/or out of work at the end of one contract really doesn't matter.  
If I'm making say $1 Million a year at a school that really can't pay me any more and I get a five year contract offer at $5 Million/year with the buyout being the full contract, that is $25 Million in (almost) guaranteed money.  It would take me 25 years to make that if I stayed where I was.  Even if I experience a failed stint and get fired in three years, I still collect the $25 Million contract and I never have to work again.  
Seriously, I'd probably pay ~50% in taxes so that knocks it down to $12.5 Million.  The current rate on 30 year US Treasuries (ie, taking basically zero risk) is 3.30%.  If I invested half of my after-tax $12.5 Million in US Treasury Bonds I'd collect $206,250 per year without ever dipping into the principal.  That still leaves me $6,250,000 after tax to live on while coaching (well over $1 Million/year).  On top of that, the upside is even better.  If I get just one contract extension (5 more years, another $25 Million) that doubles it and I now have over $400k/year at basically no risk.  

 

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