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847badgerfan

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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2018, 12:26:33 PM »
we can hope for some bad luck
I thought you are a closet OSU fan?
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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2018, 12:26:36 PM »
I'll bet Harbaugh is SO excited he peed himself
Harbaugh should be scared and embarrassed. Not excited.
Embarrassed that Urban used and abused him like a cheap whore and that he'll never have the opportunity to rectify that or beat Urban Meyer even once.
He should be scared because it was Chip Kelly disciple Ryan Day who modernized that OSU passing attack and took Haskins and that passing game to heights that OSU had never seen before and shredded Harbaugh to the tune of 62 points and 600 yards- most points and yards that Michigan has ever given up in the rivalry. Day's offenses are far more dangerous than what Urban liked to run in the past with guys who were more runners than throwers like Tebow, Braxton, JT. None of those guys ever carved up a Michigan defense the way Haskins just did to the then #1 ranked D in the land. Day ain't done dicing up Don Brown.
I doubt Day will be able to recruit as well as Meyer- no one has been able to recruit as well as good or better than Urban over the last 15+ years except for two guys: Carroll and Saban. But there's no doubt the guy is a heck of an offensive football coach. All he's got to do is fire Schiano and go hire a legit DC that's not stuck in 1999 and Ohio State will just keep humming along.

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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2018, 12:28:14 PM »
It might not be all luck. But it was a lot of luck. 

Three of those seven decades, it was the same guy.
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2018, 12:28:38 PM »
I’m He was a great coach, great recruiter , great motivator , I enjoyed all the wins, but the dude was an A hole. 

I’d prefer he stay from a football perspective, not losing much from a human perspective 

I’d also recommend jumping all over OSU in the rose bowl

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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2018, 12:29:09 PM »
Harbaugh might be able to take over the title as best recruiter in the conference

look out James Franklin
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2018, 12:39:52 PM »
Harbaugh might be able to take over the title as best recruiter in the conference

look out James Franklin
Jim is going to have to start winning big games or his recruiting is going to fall by the way side.

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2018, 12:46:40 PM »
i really wish @CoachQ would participate here... 

he and i had an extended discussion at a Christmas party last year that was otherwise incredibly boring.  he made a few comments about Meyer having a 'service life' less than Saban.  It came off as he had an ax to grind with Meyer so i asked what he meant.  

in short he said (paraphrased) "Meyer is a coach that focuses attention on the visible aspect- the players, game and game preparation, and let's others focus on administrating a program.  Saban is a coach who uses every resource available to set his carefully selected staff to handle the same things Meyer handles himself".  

this was interesting so i pressed into it.  He gave an example- he said Saban, as an example, uses Alumni far flung from the program to monitor progress of potential players/recruits.  these Alum will contact graduate assistants or program volunteers and relay happenings- such as a mention in the high school news of an academic or civic accomplishment, or something that happened in a game NOT highlight related such as a player stopping to talk to a cheerleader for a second- if Saban has even remote interest in the player he will take the information and hand write a message to the kid- one or two sentences, such as "congrats on the 4H award!" or "Hey man, leave those cheerleaders alone unless you're dating her!!! game face!!!" ...   the impact is massive, and it ensures he gets a measure of loyalty from potential players.  Meyer, in contrast and his style, looks to coaches/staff to handle these things and keeps the wheels of player development micromanaged as/after they are delivered- he only flirts with players he's interested in and more often second hand. 

in one case- the saban type, a 'program manager' builds an empire and sits back at some point to watch it work.  the other case, the Meyer type, it never lets up... it grinds all year and refreshes anew each of them.  for that reason, he explained, the type meyer is fashioned, has a 'service life'.   the type saban is can coast, only applying intensity when/where it's required. 

i thought his thoughts were enlightening.  he went down a string of coaches explaining hybrids of the well documented approaches.  One thing he said about Fulmer, when he was a HC, was 'nobody anywhere was better than he was at navigating the existing system and getting more out of it' in terms of NCAA rules.  I hope that remains true.  

anyway... thought this was interesting to learn from a veteran and peer of the occupation.  Some coaches, and I think Meyer is grouped within, look more haggard as a season progresses and the grind gets tighter... Riley @ OU is likely similar... Herman @ Texas possibly... then, some coaches such as Bobby Bowden was, Saban is, Spurrier certainly was, maybe Oregon, all as examples, become more approachable as season's progress as they're having fun just doing it- they're not invested as integral parts as much as they're overseeing... i really think it makes a difference.   

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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2018, 12:56:43 PM »
OSU has made great hires.  Unlike Michigan or Nebraska that was fixated on their coach being a Nebraska guy or a Michigan Man, OSU hired and went after the best that fit their culture and the way they played football at OSU.  That doesn't mean Meyers and Tressel ran the same offense, but they both like power concepts... both wanted to run the ball.  They did not follow Tressel with a run and shoot.    Michigan and Nebraska both were confused on these points.   

btw.. Wisconsin has also done a great job under Barry in staying the course and understanding the program culture.   OSU had been able to do that across different AD's.   

JMO

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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2018, 01:27:07 PM »
JMO, but tOSU was going to hire Urban Meyer regardless of what offense he ran. The similarities in skill sets between his system and what Tressel had morphed into certainly allowed him to hit the ground running though. It appears that they will be sticking with that general direction going forward as well, although the 2018 offense was definitely a departure from traditional Meyerball.
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2018, 01:54:40 PM »
Coaches evolve their system... well, good ones do.   There is a difference between what Synder did at KSU and what UNL did with all their coaching changes.  

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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2018, 02:05:05 PM »
JMO, but tOSU was going to hire Urban Meyer regardless of what offense he ran. The similarities in skill sets between his system and what Tressel had morphed into certainly allowed him to hit the ground running though. It appears that they will be sticking with that general direction going forward as well, although the 2018 offense was definitely a departure from traditional Meyerball.
Meyer has never had a QB like Haskins or a WR corps as deep. Not saying the receivers they have are the most talented. There's no Michael Thomas' or Percy Harvin's on that unit. It's just the deepest he's had 1-5 maybe ever. Day re-tooled that offense and went pass heavy and it's paid off. When you have a QB like Haskins and receivers as deep as OSU's- you use them.

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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2018, 02:06:40 PM »
I'm afraid that Day has too much Oregon in him.

I don't want OSU to turn into Oregon. 
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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2018, 02:11:02 PM »
I'm afraid that Day has too much Oregon in him.

I don't want OSU to turn into Oregon.
Oregon's never had a QB like that or receivers as talented. Mariotta has a wet noodle for an arm compared to Haskins.

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Re: Urban Retiring?
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2018, 02:14:04 PM »
Barstool is the lowest common denominator among sports fans, but this did make me chuckle


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