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Kris60

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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #98 on: March 10, 2022, 10:10:10 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 10, 2022, 06:39:12 AM
I wonder how often a team gets demoralized and mails it in.  My senior year in HS we had a very talented baseball team, but the coach was so bad we mailed it in when we got to the playoffs.  He was fired.  He was by far the worst coach I ever had.  I'm surprised we didn't quit en mass.


The playoffs is a weird time to mail it in.
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #99 on: March 13, 2022, 11:56:56 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on March 10, 2022, 10:10:10 AM
The playoffs is a weird time to mail it in.
There was a HS wrestler I heard about. Dad was his coach. Kid was good, dad was an excellent coach. Not sure if the kid was state title good, but when he got to state his last two years, he lost pretty early and there were always rumors he threw the match as an act of rebellion. 

His dad was just an asshole to a lot of people, so I can only imagine with the son he was coaching. 
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #100 on: March 13, 2022, 12:03:16 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on March 10, 2022, 10:10:10 AM
The playoffs is a weird time to mail it in.
We were good enough to make the playoffs without motivation, but once we made it, we wanted the season to end.  The coach was that bad.

I had torn my labia in my throwing arm as a junior and couldn't pitch well at all, he'd come out and scream at me on the mound, cursing me out.  Once he gave me two of three indicators to steal second and brushed his belt so I went, and then he cussed me out for running without the sign.  He treated others worse than me.

I hate thinking about him.

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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #101 on: March 13, 2022, 12:09:08 PM »
Cripes, we have this thread, and I didn't even get into why this event is an iron mine of disappointment.

Medina has helpfully provided the stats that show, basically, if you have a seed higher than eighth, you on average won't play to seed. The average 1 doesn't, make the Final Four. Average 2 doesn't make the Elite 8, etc. But instead of incorporating that math, we go the other way. 

The fans of every 1 seed think short of the Final Four is a disappointment. Same for most 2 seeds, unless the 1 is really strong. And usually a 3 seed or two thinks they should have a shot. So you have say 8 teams that'll be disappointed without a Final Four. The issue remains that most of the ability to overachieve is tied up in being a lower seed (a tall midget, as someone puts it). 

And that's before you factor in upsets. So you might play to seed, except in the second weekend, your opponent might be 7 or lower. And then, even if you're a 5 in the Sweet 16, you'll be pissed if you lose to an 8. (I remember an argument with an OSU fan after an Elite 8 run as a 2 seed being highly pissed because they lost to an upstart). 

Wisconsin will be interesting there. The computers say this team is vulnerable, and the last two games don't help. Still, it looked Final Four quality early. It'll probably be a 3 seed (though maybe a 4?), so a Sweet 16 would be to seed, and a second-round upset would be pretty unsurprising. But I'd bet UW fans will feel something was left on the table unless it's a close loss to the 2 or a loss to a very solid 1. 
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #102 on: March 13, 2022, 12:22:43 PM »
Texas A&M is one of a cluster of .500 in-conference teams in the SEC and I believe they've played themselves into the tournament.  They played fellow .500 team Florida and won, then went on to beat 1 seed Auburn and 4 seed Arkansas.  

That's earning your way.
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #103 on: March 13, 2022, 07:58:34 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2022, 12:22:43 PM
Texas A&M is one of a cluster of .500 in-conference teams in the SEC and I believe they've played themselves into the tournament.  They played fellow .500 team Florida and won, then went on to beat 1 seed Auburn and 4 seed Arkansas. 

That's earning your way.
Well…
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #104 on: March 13, 2022, 10:53:07 PM »
I guess 17-14 Michigan earned their way in.
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #105 on: March 13, 2022, 10:55:47 PM »
The Wolverines got in at 17-14? What in the everloving eff? I've seen better OSU teams get snubbed by the NIT. 
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #106 on: March 13, 2022, 11:28:55 PM »
I'd be pissed if I was Baylor.  UNC is their 8-seed.
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #107 on: March 13, 2022, 11:40:08 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2022, 10:53:07 PM
I guess 17-14 Michigan earned their way in.
What's the alternative?
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #108 on: March 14, 2022, 12:16:16 AM »
All the snubs - Dayton, Texas A&M, Wake, Xavier.....


It's just fun that a team who won 55% of its games gets the happy action invitation.  
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #109 on: March 14, 2022, 06:32:34 AM »
The regular season is obviously playing for a good seed (or any seed at all depending).  Then the real season started, one and done.

It's very popular, MM, I surmise, and gets a lot of action I'm sure.   I have yet to watch a minute of BBall on TV this year of any sort.  Maybe some of that is that UGA is the Vandy of Bball.  And Vandy isn't.  Shirley somebody at UGA could coach them to a half decent season.
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #110 on: March 14, 2022, 08:18:53 AM »
Florida's HC jumps ship to UGA, lol.  


I guess he'd rather have a .500 season and be a savior than have a .500 season and get fired next year.
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #111 on: March 14, 2022, 08:26:52 AM »
.500 would be an improvement of late, but UGA has often had .500+ seasons back when.  They even made a Final Four.  Once.  One time in history.  I can't understand how they can't have a half decent program there.  Coaching obviously.

Gymnastics usually outdraws men's bball.
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