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Topic: Understanding the NCAA Tournament

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #112 on: March 14, 2022, 02:18:33 PM »
.500 would be an improvement of late, but UGA has often had .500+ seasons back when.  They even made a Final Four.  Once.  One time in history.  I can't understand how they can't have a half decent program there.  Coaching obviously.

Gymnastics usually outdraws men's bball.
I know next-to-nothing about UGA BB so this is just a guess but I would imagine that location is a problem.  If you are a really good BB player in the ATL it seems likely to me that you might prefer to go play college ball at a nearby ACC school because the ACC is more known for BB unlike the SEC which is more known for FB.  That is probably less of an issue for most of the rest of the SEC because UGA is closer to ACC campuses than most of the SEC.  I would imagine that fact that GaTech is in the ACC, generally better than UGA at BB, and in the ACC can't help matters much either.  

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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #113 on: March 14, 2022, 07:25:54 PM »
We were good enough to make the playoffs without motivation, but once we made it, we wanted the season to end.  The coach was that bad.

I had torn my labia in my throwing arm as a junior and couldn't pitch well at all, he'd come out and scream at me on the mound, cursing me out.  Once he gave me two of three indicators to steal second and brushed his belt so I went, and then he cussed me out for running without the sign.  He treated others worse than me.

I hate thinking about him.


Just seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Go win states and tell him you did this for y’all and not him and flip him the bird or refuse to let him in the team picture.

I don’t get tanking at the most important time of the season.

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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #114 on: March 14, 2022, 08:24:22 PM »
I don't think there's a labia in my throwing arm.  Women have them, though....not in their arms.
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #115 on: March 14, 2022, 08:39:57 PM »
I don't think there's a labia in my throwing arm.  Women have them, though....not in their arms.
Lmfao!  I didn’t catch that at first.  I actually think a lot of people would accuse someone of having a torn labia if they quit in the playoffs.

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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #116 on: March 14, 2022, 08:52:17 PM »
Torn labia is quite a common injury in both the delivery room and the porn industry.
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #117 on: March 14, 2022, 09:43:56 PM »
Just seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Go win states and tell him you did this for y’all and not him and flip him the bird or refuse to let him in the team picture.

I don’t get tanking at the most important time of the season.
I don't want to speak for Cincy, but I could imagine a situation where a coach is so awful, he simply robs you of enjoyment of the game. And if you're getting no joy, while the person robbing you of joy is getting glory, I could see that becoming a thing. 

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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #118 on: March 23, 2022, 03:21:21 PM »
So the first round percentages didn't change much this year but here is a question to discuss:

Will a #13 or lower ever win a second weekend game?  

I certainly hope we don't see it this year as the only remaining #13 or below is Purdue's opponent, #15 St Peters.  In the previous 37 tournaments (1985-2021 not incl 2020):

  • #13 seeds made the S16 six times and went 0-6.  
  • #14 seeds made the S16 twice and went 0-2.  
  • #15 seeds made the S16 twice and went 0-2.  
  • #16 seeds have yet to make it out of the first weekend.  

This year's example is a pretty good indication of why it hasn't happened yet.  St. Peter's already knocked off bluest of blue blood #2 Kentucky in the first round and a decent Murray State team in the second round and their reward is #3 Purdue.  St. Peter's obviously had to play at least close to their ceiling to win those first two games and how long can they keep that up?  

St. Peter's is currently riding a nine-game winning streak.  Prior to that they lost three out of four to such luminaries as Siena, Iona, and Rider.  On February 20 St. Peters walked out of Siena's gym as a team barely over .500 (12-11) and decidedly NOT on anybody's NCAA Tournament radar.  They haven't lost since.  They won their last four regular season games to finish 16-11/14-6 then charged through the MAAC Tournament to hit the NCAA Tournament at 19-11 and obviously they beat #2 Kentucky and #7 Murray State so they are now 21-11.  

To answer my own question, I think we will see it eventually but not in the way that I initially thought was most likely.  My initial thought was that eventually two #13 or below seeds would bump into each other in the S16 and one of them would have to win.  Upon looking into the numbers, that may never happen.  Including St. Peter's this year, the #13's and below have made it to the S16 11 times.  There have been 592 S16 teams (16*37) so #13 seeds and below make up 1.86%.  My initial thinking was ok, 2% is roughly one in fifty so there should be something like a one in 2,500 (50*50) chance of two #13's and below running into each other in the S16, right?  Well actually no.  It is worse than that.  

Note from above that the #13's have more S16 appearances than the #14's, #15's, and #16's combined.  That limits the chances of two #13's or below meeting in the S16 because the only potential #13 or below opponent for a #13 is #16 and none of them have ever made it.  

Thus, the more likely meeting of two #13's or below in the S16 would be a meeting of a #14 and a #15 (in what, by chalk, would be the #2/3 game).  Two #14's and three #15's (including St. Peter's) have made the S16 out of 148 chances for each seed.  Multiplying the 2/148 chance of a #14 being there by the 3/148 chance of a #15 being there we get a 6/21,904 or roughly one in 3,651 chance of a meeting of two #13's or below in the S16.  Even with four chances per year that is statistically a once every 913 year occurrence.  

Therefore, my suspicion is that the more likely method for a #13 or below to win a second weekend game is for a #13 to get lucky and get a #8 or #9 and beat them.  Statistically, if a #13 makes it to the S16 their likelihood of opponent is:
  • 85.71% #1
  • 10.14% #8
  • 4.73% #9
  • 0.00% #16
Rounding that off and expressing it a different way, in 20 trips to the S16 a #13 would face (on average):
  • 17 #1 seeds, 
  • 2 #8 seeds, and
  • 1 #9 seed.  
The chances of a #13 taking out a #1 are near zero but I would guess that a #13 has around a one-in-three chance of beating a #8 or #9 seed so given enough trips to the S16 by #13 seeds they should eventually get through to the E8 possibly with a path of #4, #12, #8.  


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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #119 on: March 23, 2022, 03:34:36 PM »
Lmfao!  I didn’t catch that at first.  I actually think a lot of people would accuse someone of having a torn labia if they quit in the playoffs.
Prolly called 'em a pussy for it too!!! Ya I tore my Glenoid Labrum,saw the crack on the MRI -  it looks like the Libertly Bell.The other crack...well what OAM said 😍
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Re: Understanding the NCAA Tournament
« Reply #120 on: March 23, 2022, 03:41:27 PM »

 

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