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Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2021, 12:16:26 PM »
large organizations are run by billionaires

it seems to be fashionable with young liberals such as my daughters and their friends to hate billionaires

hating because of a certain amount of money is good, but hating for any other reason besides political affiliation is bad.
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« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2021, 02:57:29 PM »
Billionaires aren't evil, it's just that their priority is money.  None of you seemed to agree with me a couple of months back, but it's true.  No one oopses into becoming a billionaire.  
They have many big decisions along the way, and at each fork in the road, they chose more wealth.
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This isn't radical.  It's obvious.
But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.
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« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2021, 03:02:24 PM »
Billionaires aren't evil, it's just that their priority is money.  None of you seemed to agree with me a couple of months back, but it's true.  No one oopses into becoming a billionaire. 
They have many big decisions along the way, and at each fork in the road, they chose more wealth.
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This isn't radical.  It's obvious.
But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.
Many are.
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Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2021, 03:14:15 PM »
I doubt their priority is (more) money.  They obviously would consider their wealth and how to retain it, but they have People for that.  Some of them spend most of their effort trying to give it away beneficially.  I am careful not to over generalize about some group of people though.

It's pretty easy to demonize a group when you don't know any of them personally.  One can leap to conclusions and think it's "obvious" when it isn't.  Prejudice.

I know one personally, her concerns are her kids and grandkids and her health, along with being a silent benefactor in her area.  She has always been very gracious and considerate to me.  Her husband made the fortune.  And indeed she has People to worry about it.  I have met some of them as well, one of them anyway.


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« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2021, 03:28:19 PM »
Billionaires aren't evil, it's just that their priority is money.  None of you seemed to agree with me a couple of months back, but it's true.  No one oopses into becoming a billionaire. 

some oops at birth with the silver spoon

doesn't make them evil

just like oopsing at birth as a white person doesn't make them racist
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« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2021, 04:10:17 PM »
The number of people who were born into being a billionaire, worldwide, in the history of earth, can be counted on your fingers and toes.
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Many of you seriously need to take a class on sample size.  
Cincy, knowing 1 billionaire personally doesn't trump someone else knowing none.  
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But I know, I'm wrong, because I don't just go along with an "mm hmm" to whatever you choose to post.
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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2021, 04:17:23 PM »


just like oopsing at birth as a white person doesn't make them racist
Who has ever said that?
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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2021, 04:17:59 PM »
Billionaires aren't evil, it's just that their priority is money.  None of you seemed to agree with me a couple of months back, but it's true.  No one oopses into becoming a billionaire. 
They have many big decisions along the way, and at each fork in the road, they chose more wealth.
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This isn't radical.  It's obvious.
But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.
In my opinion, the goal isn't money... Money is the scorecard by which they measure achieving their goal.

Note that in this statement, I'm referring to your typical entrepreneur billionaire, your typical Bill Gates / Jeff Bezos / Steve Job / Elon Musk sort of guy. Also including guys like the former POTUS. There are billionaires who inherited a fortune and are using it to build a bigger fortune. That's a little different IMHO, because those people aren't really driven by achievements. And then there are folks like Cincy's friend, or people like Bezos' ex or Melinda Gates, who aren't "billionaires" in the sense that they earned it. Another special case...

In a lot of ways, being an entrepreneur billionaire is like being an NFL QB. Those NFL QBs are NOT driven by their priority being money--they're driven by winning, but it seems that ever time one of the better ones is up for contract renegotiation, they want to be the highest-paid QB in the NFL. Is it because they need or even care about the money? No, it's because they think they're the best, and the best should be the highest paid, right?

Most entrepreneur billionaires are, IMHO, egomaniacs who are driven by competition and winning more than they are driven by money. But if you can be a winner AND a billionaire, it's a lot better than being a winner and a millionaire, right? 

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« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2021, 04:21:29 PM »
Having that much money is not always a good thing for some.  You have issues the rest of us don't, like kidnapping and whatnot.


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« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2021, 04:46:11 PM »
The number of people who were born into being a billionaire, worldwide, in the history of earth, can be counted on your fingers and toes.
I'm guessing the number of people born into vast wealth outnumber the number of folks that built that weath, by a wide margin

Think the Sam Walton's kids, or Warren Buffet's children
so, you're saying there are fewer than 20 billionaires?

maybe 20 or 30 years ago

I'd guess there are plenty of politicians in DC that are billionaires
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« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2021, 04:47:51 PM »
Number of billionaires around the world in 2019, by wealth source

[th]Source of wealth[/th]
[th]Number of billionaires[/th]
Self-made1,639
Inherited / self-made836
Inherited350



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« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2021, 05:01:38 PM »
I'm guessing the number of people born into vast wealth outnumber the number of folks that built that weath, by a wide margin

Think the Sam Walton's kids, or Warren Buffet's children
so, you're saying there are fewer than 20 billionaires?

maybe 20 or 30 years ago

I'd guess there are plenty of politicians in DC that are billionaires
I might agree with you on "vast wealth", but not always on billionaires... That's pretty rarified air, and becoming a billionaire is a new enough phenomenon that not as many as you think have had time to die and pass it on yet lol... I.e. Buffett's kids may be billionaires someday, but he ain't dead yet. 

A lot of billionaires don't leave billions to their kids... They don't leave their kids in poverty, but many put their money into building their legacy (philanthropy, etc) rather than putting it in their kids' hands. And even those barely-billionaires who want to put it in their kids' hands may have multiple kids, splitting it up where each kid is sub-$1B net worth after they croak. 

And I doubt many politicians in DC are billionaires. Graft is profitable, but not THAT profitable--people notice. Maybe a few are the spouses of billionaires, but few would be on their own. 

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Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2021, 08:48:34 PM »
Number of billionaires around the world in 2019, by wealth source

Source of wealth
Number of billionaires

Self-made
1,639

Inherited / self-made
836

Inherited
350





350 people inherited $1 billion+ or merely inherited some wealth? 
Posting  a link with 3 numbers on it isn't helpful. 
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Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2021, 08:49:58 PM »
I'm guessing the number of people born into vast wealth outnumber the number of folks that built that weath, by a wide margin

Think the Sam Walton's kids, or Warren Buffet's children
so, you're saying there are fewer than 20 billionaires?

Everyone here wants respect, yet this is what you got from my post?  How am I to respect it or think you're conversing in good faith?
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