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Cincydawg

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #210 on: July 03, 2022, 09:35:30 AM »
I empathize with the above rant/screed/comment.

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #211 on: July 03, 2022, 11:59:21 AM »
I'm thinking the XII is wishing it would have waited to add schools now that the shit has hit the fan. Probably should have added only Cincy and BYU. Then the PAC 10 schools to get to 20.

But, which conference would decide to fold and move to the other?

Abd which schools would the Big PAC XX add when Washington, Oregon and Stanford leave for the B1G, with ND?

Anyway, the B1G has informed Oregon and Washington that it is standing pat. For now.

I thought the exact same thing about the Big 12 expansion.  Cincy and BYU are both good additions.  Otherwise....in the short term....they could have coaxed back Colorado and sniped the remaining Pac-12 South teams (Utah, Arizona, Arizona State).  Houston and UCF were both stretches....but who knows?  Maybe the move into a P5 conference gives them both big boosts.  Houston has a great thing going with their basketball program and UCF has been one of the more consistently competitive G5 football teams. 

Didn't even consider merging with the remaining Pac-12 teams and being the first to 20....but that would solve both conference's biggest issue....which is stability.  Obviously most of those teams would be more than willing to jump to the Big Ten or SEC....but they wouldn't have to worry about falling below a full schedule of conference teams.

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« Reply #212 on: July 03, 2022, 12:01:58 PM »
Also......here's my dream scenario for an expansion to 20 teams. A little different than the typical division format in most leagues since it would incorporate subdivisions. Don't think it would work if they went beyond that number though.

First......the smart move is to keep as many traditional rivalries in the same subdivision as possible. And as I brought up prior....I think the best thing they could do with four five-team subdivisions is have two of them merge each season to create one of six divisions. NorthEast/SouthWest, NorthWest/SouthEast, NorthSouth/EastWest. Ten teams....each play every other team for a nine game conference schedule. Removes a lot of the hand wringing with unbalanced schedules. Subdivisions are not guaranteed a playoff spot.  Only the division record as a whole matters....so both could come from the same subdivision.

Could have a tenth conference game as a protected rivalry if needed. Doesn't count toward division record....but does count in cases of tiebreakers.

Am I the only one who thinks this would kind of kickass? Now you don't really have any other 'faceless' conference opponents as each team will be directly and indirectly competing with every other conference team at least every three years. Obviously subdivision opponents every year.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #213 on: July 03, 2022, 12:46:48 PM »
Also......here's my dream scenario for an expansion to 20 teams. A little different than the typical division format in most leagues since it would incorporate subdivisions. Don't think it would work if they went beyond that number though.

First......the smart move is to keep as many traditional rivalries in the same subdivision as possible. And as I brought up prior....I think the best thing they could do with four five-team subdivisions is have two of them merge each season to create one of six divisions. Northeast/Southwest, Northwest/Southeast, Northsouth/EastWest. Ten teams....each play every other team for a nine game conference schedule. Removes a lot of the hand wringing with unbalanced schedules. If one division is much stronger than the other....they get to send two teams to the four team playoff as each subdivision is not guaranteed a playoff spot.

Could have a tenth conference game as a protected rivalry if needed. Doesn't count toward division record....but does count in cases of tiebreakers.

Am I the only one who thinks this would kind of kickass? Now you don't really have any other 'faceless' conference opponents as each team will be directly and indirectly competing with every other conference team at least every three years. Obviously subdivision opponents every year.

Great plan right there.

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska and USC.

Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan and UCLA.

Indiana, Michigan State, Ohio State, Stanford, Miami.

Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Florida State, Notre Dame.

Or something like it.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #214 on: July 03, 2022, 01:00:54 PM »
So pods? 

In large conferences of 16 or more, I like the idea of having 3 permanent teams you play, and then rotating the rest of the schedule.  And I'm not talking about pods-- the teams your team plays every year, don't have to coincide with the teams someone else on your permanent schedule has to play every year.

Someone on one of the SEC sites put together a pretty good list of how it would work for each team in the soon-to-be SEC, and it looked pretty good.  For example, Texas would play Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Texas A&M every year, but Arkansas might play Texas, Texas A&M, and LSU (not Oklahoma) every year, and so on.  It actually worked out okay.  There were a couple of stretches that didn't make a ton of sense for schools like Missouri that don't really have any real SEC rivals, but it looked better than straight-up pods.


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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #215 on: July 03, 2022, 01:24:38 PM »
Great plan right there.

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska and USC.

Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan and UCLA.

Indiana, Michigan State, Ohio State, Stanford, Miami.

Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Florida State, Notre Dame.

Or something like it.

I think in the case that the Big Ten makes the jump to 20 teams and creates four groups of five teams....along with Notre Dame (the obvious target)....the wise thing to do would be to add the other three teams from the Pac-12...imo.  That way you have a five team subdivision of Pac-12 rivals and don't need to start diluting the traditional Big Ten rivalries with the other subdivisions.

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #216 on: July 03, 2022, 05:33:11 PM »
What's the worst way by which they could be divided up into pods? 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #217 on: July 03, 2022, 05:36:18 PM »
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #218 on: July 03, 2022, 05:42:22 PM »
@FearlessF 
Hell no, you're not blaming the SEC for this.  We added 2 schools that came to us, one of which was already inside our footprint and another that borders it.

The B1G making this kind of leap is the beginning of the end of college football as we know it.  If the SEC had done this, all you guys would be chiding it as a destructive overreach...because it is.  It's lunacy. 
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #219 on: July 03, 2022, 05:56:51 PM »
Multiple conferences have already had a much more extreme geographic outlier, in Hawaii. 
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #220 on: July 03, 2022, 05:58:41 PM »
Did they matter?
THAT is your "yeah, but?"

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« Reply #221 on: July 03, 2022, 06:03:03 PM »
How's that alliance going?  Remember that?  I guess the B1G doesn't.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #222 on: July 03, 2022, 06:10:32 PM »
I blame the SEc and geology.


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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #223 on: July 03, 2022, 06:31:29 PM »
@FearlessF
Hell no, you're not blaming the SEC for this.  We added 2 schools that came to us, one of which was already inside our footprint and another that borders it.

The B1G making this kind of leap is the beginning of the end of college football as we know it.  If the SEC had done this, all you guys would be chiding it as a destructive overreach...because it is.  It's lunacy.

lol.  No.  The SEC picking off the two marquee programs from the Big 12 was the beginning of the sub-power 5 and the super conferences as we now know them.

And you are making the assumption that USC and UCLA didn't reach out to the Big Ten and beg to join.

 

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