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utee94

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #168 on: July 02, 2022, 02:26:19 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 02, 2022, 12:40:55 PM
I mean BYU might arguably be the helmetiest team in the new Big 12, and they are an elevated mid major. Yet their competition for the honor is OSU2 and West Virginia.

If they joined the Pac 12, they'd be behind Oregon, UDub and Stanford in prestige at the very least, and there are probably a few others that are ahead of (or at least equal to) OSU2 and WV's prowess. Plus they'd have four other teams in their own time zone, instead of being an extreme geographic outlier in a conference that contains the prestigious brands of UCF and Cincinnati.

I mean, come on. The choice is obvious.
You're confusing history with ratings, and in reality it's not working out that way.  All that "prestige" in the PAC isn't turning on TV sets.  Nobody in California or the west coast gives a shit about watching college football.  The B12 leftovers' and newbies' TV ratings are superior to the PAC leftovers.

And that's all that matters.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #169 on: July 02, 2022, 02:51:33 PM »
yup, unless you can force the CATV markets to carry the BTN or LHN or whatever on the basic cable tier

and as you know, CATV subscriptions are dwindling 

of course your sports packages on streaming services are picking up those subscriptions
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #170 on: July 02, 2022, 02:59:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 02, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
I think in the past, conferences panicked when change started and ended up doing things they later regretted.

I suspect we're about to see that again.
Other than the B1G adding Rutgers, what else does this apply to?
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #171 on: July 02, 2022, 03:03:37 PM »
The SEC adding Mizzou. 
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #172 on: July 02, 2022, 03:07:06 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 02, 2022, 01:44:48 PM
So do Big Companies, even Exxon, et al.  I've seen some of the PR efforts from the inside.
PR for them is spending a few million to continue to bring in billions.  
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #173 on: July 02, 2022, 03:10:41 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 02, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
The SEC adding Mizzou.
The only thing the SEC didn't like about Mizzou joining was their lucking into 2 East titles before setting into their role of cannon fodder for the name programs.
Getting 2 decent-sized markets' clicks and eyeballs was good.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #174 on: July 02, 2022, 03:14:55 PM »
The B1G getting both USC and UCLA was shrewd.  If you only add top programs, it pushes down your existing top programs.  Adding a USC and a non-USC-level program was smart.  But more importantly, it closes off the LA market to anyone else.  That's what makes it shrewd.  If they grabbed USC and Oregon, the PAC would still have an LA foothold - a selling point for the others left behind to stay put.  
Also, the XII can't sneak in and grab some of the LA market.  The B1G got it completely.  That's a big deal.  That's why the PAC is screwed right now.
No, people out west aren't big college football fans, but in a market with 12 million people, even a small % of them being fans works out well.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #175 on: July 02, 2022, 03:17:34 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 02, 2022, 02:26:19 PM
You're confusing history with ratings, and in reality it's not working out that way.  All that "prestige" in the PAC isn't turning on TV sets.  Nobody in California or the west coast gives a shit about watching college football.  The B12 leftovers' and newbies' TV ratings are superior to the PAC leftovers.

And that's all that matters.


That logic inspired USC and UCLA, but that was the Big 10 instead of the new Big 12. Big difference. 

BYU would be in a conference that contains four teams from their timezone including their primary rival, plus Oregon, Stanford, Cal and UDub. 

Probably a little more enticing than chasing the Cincinnati and Orlando markets in a conference where the closest team is two large states away, with nothing that even remotely resembles a rivalry, while OSU2 and W Virginia are your biggest games. 
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #176 on: July 02, 2022, 03:19:00 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 02, 2022, 03:10:41 PM
The only thing the SEC didn't like about Mizzou joining was their lucking into 2 East titles before setting into their role of cannon fodder for the name programs.
Getting 2 decent-sized markets' clicks and eyeballs was good.


You have tried to pawn Mizzou off on us in multiple realignment threads.

That's called regret. 
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #177 on: July 02, 2022, 03:21:57 PM »
If I did that, it's because of the B1G's obsession with AAU schools.
It would be odd if I did that, as I realize none of this is going backwards, only forwards.  And I was assured Mizzou would prefer being in the B1G. 
Shrug.  See above - every new add shouldn't be top-tier.  You just might want to avoid hot garbage like Rutgers.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #178 on: July 02, 2022, 03:31:37 PM »
Top tier brand doesn't mean that the team is good. Texas was a big add as a brand, but they've been hot garbage for years. Same with Nebraska, USC, Notre Dame, etc. These are CFB museums more or less, but people are going to tune in when Texas plays LSU, Florida, Auburn, etc, and people will tune in when USC or Nebraska play OSU, PSU or the Wolverines. These are easy games to sell. The brands are strong, even if some of the teams are hopelessly down. 
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #179 on: July 02, 2022, 03:36:15 PM »
They're also easier to turn around and will spend some stretches at/near the top of the conference.  And every time that will happen, someone else as to take a downturn.  
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #180 on: July 02, 2022, 03:52:56 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 02, 2022, 03:19:00 PM

You have tried to pawn Mizzou off on us in multiple realignment threads.

That's called regret.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #181 on: July 02, 2022, 04:05:12 PM »
So we may wind up with......
B1G:  UM, OSU, MSU, PSU, IU, PU, WI, MN, Iowa, UNL, ILL, NW, Md, RU, ND, USCw, UCLA, UO, Wash, Stan
SEC:  UF, UGA, AL, Aub, LSU, OM, MSU, Ark, UTA, OU, A&M, Miz, UK, Vandy, UTK, USCe, Clem, FSU, Miami, UNC
XII:  TTU, BU, UH, TCU, OKST, KU, KSU, ISU, WV, BYU, UCF, Cinci, CU, Utah, AZ, ASU
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Who's that leave out? 
UVA, VT, WF, NCST, GT, UL, ORST, WSU, Cal, BC, SU, Pitt, Duke
Weird to see the likes of Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati "in" and VT, GT, and Pitt "out."
Maybe the XII takes those 4 from the PAC and GT, VT, UVa, UL?  

20 tms x 3......you could keep the 4-team playoff with the 3 superconference champs + 1 at-large.  No more G5 crap to throw a sacrificial bone to.
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