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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #98 on: July 01, 2022, 11:03:44 AM »
Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on July 01, 2022, 10:43:54 AM
I think Oregon delivers more eyeballs than any of Colorado/Arizona/ASU though, and I don't think it's even close.

The argument could certainly be made that's a byproduct of Phil Knight/Nike money and if that ever goes away, they might be a dumpster fire, but in terms of TV ratings (not market), Oregon is a better bet than Denver/Phoenix, because I don't think Colorado/ASU/Arizona actually deliver those markets.
My point is, the amount of eyeballs delivered by Oregon, is a small fraction of the Los Angeles schools.  At this point, we've reached the point of diminishing returns for television market consideration.  Other than Notre Dame, the final big gets on the board for eyeballs, were Texas/OU and USC/UCLA.  And they're now off the board.

So going forward, the two big conferences don't need to add schools for eyeballs.  The minimal incremental gain you get from Oregon compared to USC/UCLA or Notre Dame, are pretty insignificant.

Which is why I believe the B1G and/or SEC's next moves, will either be strategic ones to capture Notre Dame, or vanity/prestige ones to make the conference look better.  A school like Stanford moves the needle on both counts.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #99 on: July 01, 2022, 11:16:18 AM »
I'm thinking the SEC grabs Clemson, UNC, Virginia or VT, and Miami or Dook.

I would happily trade Rutgers for Virginia. Let the ACC have the "NYC" market.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #100 on: July 01, 2022, 11:26:01 AM »
What a cluster f***
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #101 on: July 01, 2022, 11:32:12 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 30, 2022, 05:34:33 PM
You guys should LOVE this, every school gets to play in the Rose Bowl every few years!
I have complete confidence the gators would get there somehow
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #102 on: July 01, 2022, 11:42:31 AM »
Have the Gators ever played in the Rose before?

I rather enjoyed UT's two trips to play in the Rose Bowl game.

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #103 on: July 01, 2022, 11:43:11 AM »
Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on July 01, 2022, 08:41:41 AM
I don't like this in football because you basically are two separate conferences then.  You would need to go to 4 divisions and rotate, which would work great with 9 conference games.  You play everyone in your division every year, then a sister division that rotates every season.  Something like:

Pacific
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Stanford
Washington

Great Plains
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Illinois

Great Lakes
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana

Atlantic
Penn State
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland

Pretty good competitive balance across the board there.  The division you play rotates every season, so you play everyone in the conference twice ever six years, and you play everyone in your division every season.

The only rivalry there that got sacrificed was NW/Illinois - I split them because I figure you'd want to maximize Chicagoland access for most fan bases, plus, Notre Dame's two largest markets are reportedly Chicago & NY - thus why a division with Rutgers/NW would make a lot of sense for them.

No protected crossovers, and never a repeat in the CCG (which would be the winner of the two "paired divisions" each year).
I could see this working.

It does seem that divisions will have to come back if conference size gets beyond a certain point (not sure exactly where that point is).

Assuming a 9-game league schedule:
  • 10 teams, you play each of the other nine.
  • 11 teams, you play 9 of the other 10, 90%
  • 12 teams, you play 9 of the other 11, 82%
  • 13 teams, you play 9 of the other 12, 75%
  • 14 teams, you play 9 of the other 13, 69%
  • 15 teams, you play 9 of the other 14, 64%
  • 16 teams, you play 9 of the other 15, 60%
  • 17 teams, you play 9 of the other 16, 56%
  • 18 teams, you play 9 of the other 17, 53%
  • 19 teams, you play 9 of the other 18, 50%
  • 20 teams, you play 9 of the other 19, 47%.


Even with 16 which we will apparently reach in 2024 with USC/UCLA, I think you need divisions because your schedules are so varied. Beyond 16 I think that divisions (either permanent or rotating) are definitely necessary.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2022, 11:59:01 AM »
Does Rotel get grandfathered in under the original BTN ad fee structure?
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2022, 12:22:46 PM »
Sure as long as you GF the 6 Pack it takes to eat it
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2022, 12:29:02 PM »
Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on July 01, 2022, 10:43:54 AM
I think Oregon delivers more eyeballs than any of Colorado/Arizona/ASU though, and I don't think it's even close.

The argument could certainly be made that's a byproduct of Phil Knight/Nike money and if that ever goes away, they might be a dumpster fire, but in terms of TV ratings (not market), Oregon is a better bet than Denver/Phoenix, because I don't think Colorado/ASU/Arizona actually deliver those markets.
ratings are one thing and probably more inportant going forward
Rutgers was added for the forced carry of the Big Ten Network on CATV basic packages
Oregon doesn't have much to offer in that regard
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2022, 12:33:03 PM »
Rotel is okay but one of our regional grocery chains here in Texico has a tastier canned tomato/green chile product.  It provides the base for many a chile con queso around here.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #108 on: July 01, 2022, 12:38:37 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 01, 2022, 11:42:31 AM
Have the Gators ever played in the Rose before?

I rather enjoyed UT's two trips to play in the Rose Bowl game.
Florida has, if you append "State".

UGA has two, which is kinda neat.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #109 on: July 01, 2022, 12:50:10 PM »
This is not hard to figure out if there are only 16 teams.

No divisions needed
3 fixed rivals you play every year
12 teams you play 50% of the time, play 6 out of the 12 each year.

9 conference games total.

Now if they end up with 18 teams,  then you would have only 1 fixed rival  and 16 teams you play 50% of the time.

If they go with 20 teams, you could have 2 fixed rivals,  8 teams you play 50% of the time,  and 9 teams you play 33% of the time.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #110 on: July 01, 2022, 12:51:15 PM »
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #111 on: July 01, 2022, 01:46:19 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 01, 2022, 11:59:01 AM
Does Rotel get grandfathered in under the original BTN ad fee structure?
There was that other one, something about caring for kids with some disorder. That and Rotel were the only commercials, it seemed.
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