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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #2240 on: April 14, 2025, 08:08:12 AM »
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« Reply #2241 on: April 14, 2025, 08:53:22 AM »
Some other broad observations about "The World":

1.  US "culture" is pervasive, really.  We saw KFCs and McDs, and 7-11s etc. everywhere (except Vietnam).
2.  Another sign of this, nearly every sign of note was bilingual with English.  Everywhere.  Even in Arabia.  Street signs, commercial signs, everything. 
3.  Another sign, western style dress is pervasive.  The partial exception was Qatar where a fair number of locals wore "Arab style dress".  Women were in black, usually veiled, sometimes completely except eyes.  In India, Thailand, Taiwan, HK, 99% are in western attire.
4.  Toyota really dominates the car industry in Asia. 
5.  The immigration prodecures in India are ... difficult.  We often had to wait in long lines to have proof of visa scanned and then have backpacks scanned though the person reading the scanners often was not paying any attention.  I walked through any number of magnetometers that went off and nobody said anything or checked me in India.  We had four stops in India, same thing in each one.  They checked a paper that had QR codes on it, we didn't have passports there.
6.  The cruise ship, or country, will often take our passports from us, not something all that wonderful, but it works.
7.  Most people "out there" are pretty nice and considerate, a few are oblivious to their surroundings.  These will block obvious choke  points in airports or busses for no reason.  Some folks in a buffet line will just stand there looking for "hours" as if the items are going to change, not letting others have access.
8.  These huges cities are, well, huge.  I guess you get used to it, many have 30+ story apartment buildings for miles, all looking the same.
9. The employees in the travel industry have to put up with ... "us", often it's not fun, at all.
10.  Too many Americans are simply fat, to put it bluntly, and unable to get around very well.  On many tours clearly marked "not for wheelchaired folks", we had fat wheelchaired folks holding everything up.  Some could walk, a bit, they just wanted to ride.



I can relate to no 10. I first want to say so you can't read as well as not being able to walk and then give them a shove out of the way. It is just as bad with people with walkers.The problem is ubiquitous on the long cruises I have been on.  The reason we are doing all this traveling now is we don't want to be those people who have no business trying to travel in the future.

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« Reply #2242 on: April 14, 2025, 05:39:10 PM »
A lot of people don't know how elevators work. This weekend I had a room on the first floor, while the lobby was on the second. Every time someone got on the down elevator just completely mystified as to why it wasn't going up. When it got to the first floor I'd say "now it's going up."

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« Reply #2243 on: April 15, 2025, 04:49:45 AM »
CDG airport outside Paris, I used to think this was the worst airport ever, then I traveled some more.


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« Reply #2244 on: April 15, 2025, 08:14:26 AM »
I've been to CDG. I thought Lisbon was worse just because it felt so outdated. 

Worst airport I've ever been to: Kansas City.

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« Reply #2245 on: April 15, 2025, 08:18:06 AM »
Airports in Europe leave a lot to be desired.
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« Reply #2246 on: April 15, 2025, 08:22:00 AM »
I've been to CDG. I thought Lisbon was worse just because it felt so outdated.

Worst airport I've ever been to: Kansas City.

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« Reply #2247 on: April 15, 2025, 08:34:36 AM »
I've been through Toronto twice now, and it was confusing and lengthy both times.  It also was very dirty.

I've been through CDG probably 20+ times going and coming.  One issue is the plane often seems to taxi forever after landing, and then you deplane to walk and walk and get on a train and walk and walk and then go down an escalator to a mob waiting on luggage with way too few carousels.

We deplaned in ATL the other day fortunately on Terminal F (not E) and strolled out to a short immigration line, basically was waved through after quick inspection, got luggage forthwith and were gone.  If you dock at E Terminal international, it's a long walk to get to F terminal, you can't ride the train.

In DFW, the sky  train loops around and seems to take a long time to get where you need to be.

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« Reply #2248 on: April 15, 2025, 09:02:58 AM »
We didn't sleep before leaving on a 5:17 AM flight to Dallas followed by a 15+ hour flight to Seoul, but we did sleep on the long leg.  We stayed two nights at the Seoul Conrad hotel, which is an experience.  We had an 8 hour personal tour of Seoul featuring their market and lunch (which was excellent) and their military museum.  We like Seoul.  It's interesting, had been there last year too but our tour then was of the DMZ et al.
 
The next day we boarded the Norwegian Sky for our 29 day cruise and headed to Naha, Japan, in Okinawa, which we had visited last year.  The weather got quite rough and the captain said we had to divert, so we skipped it and got into Taiwan earlier than expected for two visits there, then to Hong Kong, Vietnam, Bangkok, and Singapore
 
We had two excursions to the countryside in Vietnam to see rice fields and have some of their beer, but no meals unfortunately.  We only took excursions arranged by the ship as it's important to be back on time of course, and the ship will wait for you if your excursion is late unless you're on your own.  The main Asian cities are impressive architecturally, a LOT of 30+ story apartment buildings everywhere.  We had an interesting boat ride in Bangkok and two lunches but they were both in western hotels.  The Thai food here is better I thought.  We left Bangkok one day before the earthquake heading to Singapore.
 
In Singapore, the first cruise ended after 14 days, but we and about 30 others stayed on board, we did take an excursion that day.  Singapore of course like HK has some British influence in places but both have grown enormously since then.  By this point, the weather had become hot and humid, while in Seoul we were wearing heavy coats and gloves.  
 
The next stop was Kuala Lumpur, which is massive, very urban, famous buildings from movies etc.  Our long tour mostly was about buildings and temples more than culture.  Then on to Phuket, Thailand, a noted "beach resort" of sorts.  We had a long tour, but I wasn't too impressed overall, I think Catherine was more so.  Then off to Sri Lanka which seemed of interest to me, but the morning we arrived, the tendering boats were bouncing on large swells and the captain said it was unsafe to board them, so we left.  The ocean looked normal, but we could see from our cabin balcony the boats bouncing around.
 
The next four stops were in India, in order, Cochin, Mangalore, Goa, and Mumbai.  The first two, to me, were not very notable, they have a major litter problem there for one thing, and I was tiring of visiting various temples by then.  The roads are very rough in spots and long bus rides were tiring.  We had a long tour in Goa with lunch, which Catherine liked, I actually think our Indian food here is better (!).  One of the folks in the tour wondered off at some point causing quite a delay while the guide hunted him down.  Goa was under Portuguese control until 1961 and that influence was still evident.  
 
Mumbai (Bombay) is somewhat akin to NYC, a ton of traffic, larger buildings, parks and museums, we visited one of the latter which was quite interesting to us, but had limited time.  And it was really hot and humid, even the locals were complaining, it was early April by then.
 
Now we had three days "at sea" crossing the Indian Ocean to Dubai (where we had been once before before on a cruise).  Dubai of course is very different from India, and similar to the next two stops in Abu Dhabi and Doha.  These three cities evidence a ton of oil money and few locals, up to 90% of the population are foreigners who are "servants" to the locals.  Once rarely sees a local out and about.  Doha is making obvious efforts to plant large grass fields and trees, which was nice.  Now of course it was very hot in the sun.  
 
In Doha, we took another tour off the ship for the last time and had lunch at a small local place, somewhat by accident ordering fried chicken and fruit juice, the chicken would rival anything local except Mukja (our Korean FC restaurant).  There were three locals lounging next to us, I had said "Salaam alekim" as we sat near them, and it happened that one of them paid for our meal as he left and said "Welcome".  I left a $20 tip for the servers, who seemed a bit confused by this rather tall foreigner.  Then off to the airport for three flights to get home.  The flight to Dubai was only an hour but painful as the plane had "limited" leg room, then in Dubai we had a bus ride to some other part of the airport apparently located in France.  Or so it seemed.  Many on the bus had been on the cruise and they started laughing saying they are busing us to Amsterdam.
 
The flight to AMS was 8+ hours but in economy comfort with leg room, and on KLM which is in my experience a solid carrier.  We had 2+ hours there and then an 8+ hour flight on Delta to ATL.  We managed some sleep and so were "OK" upon arrival when our friend picked us up, thankfully.  
 
For such a long trip, we had no "upsets", nothing lost, some long lines at times.  We made some friends on board and had some good meals especially at "Le Bistro", their French styled premium restaurant where we had some Champagne a couple times (Veuve).  Our cabin was quite tolerable for nearly a month, we kind of missed it and joked about staying on board longer, but it really is great to be home, and getting some sleep.  I woke up yesterday at midnight, but this morning I managed until 4 AM.  
 
I think Mark Twain may have said travel is the enemy of prejudice, or somesuch.  Most of "us" are more alike than different.  We were treated well by the Asians we met.  The tourists on board were about half Asian, about a quarter Canadian/European or from Australia/NZ, so an interesting mix just there.  We're fortunate to be able to travel and "see things".  The flying part is brutal at times, but we manage.  And we signed up for two more cruises, one out of Rome to the Greek isles and the other in 2026 from NYC to Barcelona.  I still have seen enough temples and churches and mosques for now.
 
Our aim was to experience parts of Asia, and we did, in one trip, knowing of course there is a ton more one could visit, but we have our eyes set more on Europe from here, and perhaps South America.  You might wonder how one packs for a 33 day trip, and Catherine did a great job with two suitcases, we had three coming back, had to buy one.  The ship does provide laundry services, we get one bag "free" and a second is $34.  This is a "small" ship relatively, and about to be sold, :"only" 1930 passengers.  The new ones are massive.  The small ship still had numerous restaurants and cafes, even a Starbucks, and a casino, and various theaters with shows (we attended exactly zero).  And bars galore, but we did not opt for the "beverage package" with unlimited drinks, it's very expensive.
 
If you read this far, thanks, hope it was interesting, ciao for now.  On to Rome.



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« Reply #2249 on: April 15, 2025, 09:18:38 AM »
That was a good read. Thanks.
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« Reply #2250 on: April 15, 2025, 10:15:28 AM »
I think Mark Twain may have said travel is the enemy of prejudice, or somesuch.  

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« Reply #2251 on: April 15, 2025, 10:31:27 AM »
A fun tidbit, our very first bus excursion on the second cruise I got seated by some woman not my wife (who was across on another set of seats).  The woman said her name was "Karen" and asked me if we cruised a lot, I said about once a year, whereupon she unleashed a tirade about how awful Norwegian was and she'd never cruise with them again, "It's Oceania for me!!!", she said, as if I cared.  The rest of the trip she was going on usually directed at others in her group about how bad things were.

I was obviously ignoring whatever she directed at me so I was partially spared but chuckling at the same time.  I never even knew what had incensed her so much.  I did hear from some others that the boarding process in Singapore was lengthy.  Anyway, Day One on a 15 day cruise and she was already in a terrible mood.  I didn't see her again fortunately.

Maybe Oceania is great, I don't know, to some extent you get what you pay for, the smaller cruise lines like Regent or Oceania no doubt are more premium, and cost more as well.  Norwegian is "mass market", generally speaking.  Our upcoming NYC to Barcelona cruise is 16 days for under $7,000, including air fare, for a "club balcony suite".  It's nice enough for us.  That does not include alcohol, but you can't do an all expenses resort somewhere for less than that I suspect, under $500 a day per couple?

We're more interested in the ports of call than the luxury of the ship, it's just a Chevrolet to us.

All that said, I did enjoy our stay at the Conrad Seoul.


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« Reply #2252 on: April 15, 2025, 10:46:59 AM »
A fun tidbit, our very first bus excursion on the second cruise I got seated by some woman not my wife (who was across on another set of seats).  The woman said her name was "Karen" and asked me if we cruised a lot, I said about once a year, whereupon she unleashed a tirade about how awful Norwegian was and she'd never cruise with them again, "It's Oceania for me!!!", she said, as if I cared.  The rest of the trip she was going on usually directed at others in her group about how bad things were.

I was obviously ignoring whatever she directed at me so I was partially spared but chuckling at the same time.  I never even knew what had incensed her so much.  I did hear from some others that the boarding process in Singapore was lengthy.  Anyway, Day One on a 15 day cruise and she was already in a terrible mood.  I didn't see her again fortunately.

Maybe Oceania is great, I don't know, to some extent you get what you pay for, the smaller cruise lines like Regent or Oceania no doubt are more premium, and cost more as well.  Norwegian is "mass market", generally speaking.  Our upcoming NYC to Barcelona cruise is 16 days for under $7,000, including air fare, for a "club balcony suite".  It's nice enough for us.  That does not include alcohol, but you can't do an all expenses resort somewhere for less than that I suspect, under $500 a day per couple?

We're more interested in the ports of call than the luxury of the ship, it's just a Chevrolet to us.

All that said, I did enjoy our stay at the Conrad Seoul.


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« Reply #2253 on: April 15, 2025, 10:49:10 AM »
she's probably in a more turrible mood when she stays home
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