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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #56 on: May 21, 2019, 02:20:54 PM »
Most don’t but that’s becuase most are leaving for a reason.
No doubt. Though to be clear, I was talking about the ones who enter the portal only to genuinely decide they want to stay. More in the vein of Lamont Wade. Though he's a narrow type (obvious talent/starter) and I think this group is broader than his type (including young guys, junior back-ups, any-age role players, and anyone with eligibility and a 4-year contract who's genuinely open to staying).

The ones I'm looking to exclude from this stat (which we could clumsily name "rate of returning from the portal if no one wants you") are

a) non-P5 players,
b) grad transfers, and
c) the classic examples of a kid being squeezed out

Excluding non-P5's, because outside the P5 4-year contracts are rare. Excluding grad transfer attempts and squeeze-outs because those kids may know they can't stay (or would rather leave the sport than stay) before they even enter the portal.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #57 on: May 21, 2019, 02:34:12 PM »
I think most P5 schools already have. My recollection is that this includes 13 of 14 Big Ten schools.
I more meant ones that a staff can’t wriggle out of. 

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #58 on: May 21, 2019, 02:36:50 PM »
No doubt. Though to be clear, I was talking about the ones who enter the portal only to genuinely decide they want to stay. More in the vein of Lamont Wade. Though he's a narrow type (obvious talent/starter) and I think this group is broader than his type (including young guys, junior back-ups, any-age role players, and anyone with eligibility and a 4-year contract who's genuinely open to staying).

The ones I'm looking to exclude from this stat (which we could clumsily name "rate of returning from the portal if no one wants you") are

a) non-P5 players,
b) grad transfers, and
c) the classic examples of a kid being squeezed out

Excluding non-P5's, because outside the P5 4-year contracts are rare. Excluding grad transfer attempts and squeeze-outs because those kids may know they can't stay (or would rather leave the sport than stay) before they even enter the portal.
In the case of kids who are welcomed back fully, I’m guessing most stay, especially not counting grad transfers.

But they are likely a small group.


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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #59 on: May 21, 2019, 02:40:50 PM »
I more meant ones that a staff can’t wriggle out of.
My understanding is that if all players had the requisite perseverance (at least a willingness to secure legal counsel and/or take media interviews to discuss what coach said), no coaches would be able to wriggle out of the current contracts (or want to try). This is betting those contracts are already good enough. But the power and knowledge asymmetries in these relationships probably have players just wanting to go with the flow and  get these uncomfortable situations over with.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2019, 02:45:24 PM »
In the case of kids who are welcomed back fully, I’m guessing most stay, especially not counting grad transfers.

But they are likely a small group.


That's my thought too. My other thought is that even if they are a small group this is the only group relevant to answering questions about whether entering the transfer portal is so poisonous to a team that a coach and player can't go on together. Not that these players' return answers that question unequivocally (our info about them isn't personal enough for that) but because that analysis can't begin until you find the sample set that has all of these:

- enters portal/isn't wanted by any new school deemed good enough
- wants to continue with old school
- old coach wants the same

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2019, 04:05:03 PM »
My understanding is that if all players had the requisite perseverance (at least a willingness to secure legal counsel and/or take media interviews to discuss what coach said), no coaches would be able to wriggle out of the current contracts (or want to try). This is betting those contracts are already good enough. But the power and knowledge asymmetries in these relationships probably have players just wanting to go with the flow and  get these uncomfortable situations over with.
This is one of those where the phrasing gets lost in multiquote.

It started with the idea thay adult adult choices would have consequences. A real four-year deal means there are higher consequences for a bust.

But to a degree, we really want mulligans. A coach can make life unpleasant enough for a kid to leave, or just say the kid isn’t wanted. The way the system works is probably fine, but it doesn’t meet the adult decision-consequence threashold.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2019, 02:26:03 PM »
WR Bru McCoy, #9 overall recruit by 247 in 2019, appears to now be transferring back to USC, after already transferring from USC to Texas.

He should be at Prom right now, instead he has already transferred twice.

This seems sustainable.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2019, 05:51:10 PM »
WR Bru McCoy, #9 overall recruit by 247 in 2019, appears to now be transferring back to USC, after already transferring from USC to Texas.

He should be at Prom right now, instead he has already transferred twice.

This seems sustainable.
Does he take two transfer years? (Kid seems like an odd duck)

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #64 on: June 04, 2019, 07:15:38 PM »
Redshirt freshman safety CJ Smith has entered his name in the transfer portal, Husker247 confirmed through an NU football spokesman.

Smith joins Cam'Ron Jones as young defensive backs from the Nebraska 2018 recruiting class who have decided to move on from Nebraska after the spring. The 6-foot-2, 205-pound Smith actually worked his way onto the field last fall, playing on special teams against Purdue and Northwestern before having to be carted off the field after covering a kick against the Wildcats.

It was a severe knee injury that ended his season and also kept him out of action this spring. Due to playing less than four games, Smith was able to use his redshirt last season.
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #65 on: June 08, 2019, 08:22:47 AM »
So, Luke Ford transferred from UGA to UI, he's from IL, and is denied eligibility.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/bulldog-luke-ford-appeal-for-immediate-eligibility-denied-ncaa/fgS9KGk91rc2hcD8ymfzpI/

Ford, represented by Thomas Mars, had said the primary reason for his transfer was to be closer to an ailing grandfather.
Mars, who gained notoriety for representing the successful transfer of Ohio State quarterback Justin Fields -- who was granted immediate eligibility after leaving UGA -- said the Ford family will be all right.
"Luke and his family are disappointed, of course," Mars told ESPN.com. "But they're the kind of people who have the unusual ability to maintain a very positive attitude -- even in the face of disappointment. As Luke just said to me in a very grateful way, 'Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't.’ "
Many expected Mars to be able to swing the case and the NCAA ruling in Ford's favor.


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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #66 on: June 08, 2019, 08:23:48 AM »
This thing is going to blow up on them i think.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #67 on: June 08, 2019, 08:27:27 AM »
should have stayed closer to home in the first place

sitting out one season isn't horrible

will give the kid more time to spend with Gramps
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #68 on: June 08, 2019, 08:31:25 AM »
He's from Maryland, a position of need, and isn't taking calls.

Players seem to think he's Maryland bound, and I heard this when Locksley was hired.
Done deal. He's A Terp and immediately eligible. 

Big pick up, again. 

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #69 on: June 08, 2019, 08:49:53 AM »
It's fine of course, he'll survive, but he had a clear hardship reason to move, and was denied eligibility, while others with scant reason and the same lawyer were granted eligibility.  The inconsistency is going to blow this thing up.

 

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