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Topic: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2022, 09:40:14 PM »
I remember Abdullah taking a short little pass and basically refusing to let Nebraska lose to some 1-AA team.  It was tied or they were losing and he breaks like 6 tackles to take it like 60 yards in the final seconds of the game.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2022, 09:59:51 PM »
 Nick Chubb may be my personal favorite. 
My favorite he'd be shooting the gaps no faffing around in linear line formations for him
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2022, 11:20:09 PM »
I remember Abdullah taking a short little pass and basically refusing to let Nebraska lose to some 1-AA team.  It was tied or they were losing and he breaks like 6 tackles to take it like 60 yards in the final seconds of the game.


I was at that game
Huskers were beaten, until..........


Ameer to the rescue: Ameer Adbullah turned a short pass from Tommy Armstrong Jr. into a 58-yard touchdown with 20 seconds left to send No. 19 Nebraska to a 31-24 win over McNeese State.

The Huskers were facing a 3rd-and-6 with the game tied. Armstrong hit Abdullah in the flat short of the first-down marker and gave the senior All-America candidate a chance to make a play. And what a play he made.



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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2022, 01:03:00 AM »
Just play like that all game long  :57:
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2022, 09:39:52 AM »
I would guess the defense for McNeese had been on the field much of the day and was tired.  Obviously, this is a big reason top programs usually beat lesser programs, just depth, aside from a talent gap that usually exists.  This is one reason that Appy State win was so incredible.

That Samford - UF game last year probably started to seal the deal for their coach.

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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2022, 11:57:09 AM »
well, that and the fact that Abdullah was pretty good
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2022, 01:34:58 PM »
well, that and the fact that Abdullah was pretty good
He was indeed, I was reflecting on why he might not have done the pinball thing the entire game.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2022, 02:08:57 PM »
Okay, so the Abdullah thing got me thinking.....
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The big, fat Bill James Historical Abstract book that is pretty well-known all started when James and a friend were debating whether ho-hum Royals catcher Mike MacFarlane was one of the top 100 catchers of all time.
The initial thought was "no way," but when they sat down and actually did the legwork.....there weren't that many good offensive catchers in baseball history.
There's probably 15 or so everyone could name off the top of their heads, maybe 15-20 near as good and just less well-known....and then there's just......meh.  
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It turned out that despite being unremarkable, MacFarlane was something like the 75th-best catcher of all time.
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So let's build in some parameters here......P5 programs only, since WWII......do you think Ameer Abdullah was one of the 100 best RBs?  
You could do single-season or career, I don't think it hurts or harms him, either way.
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Initially, I'm thinking that I doubt it.  
But could I find 100 better RBs?  Maybe P5 progams is too many.....so we say top 200 RBs (P5 programs is around double that of MLB teams).
Ohh, now I'm not so sure.  There's probably 40-50 that are comfortably better off the top of my head, but then....hmmm.......
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2022, 02:17:31 PM »
Would you go by yards, YAC, carries, some composite, or the eyeball test?

Some RBs have some highlight reel runs but were fairly ordinary much of the rest of the time.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2022, 02:31:46 PM »
top 100?  no

top 200? maybe
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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2022, 03:56:47 PM »
Would you go by yards, YAC, carries, some composite, or the eyeball test?

Some RBs have some highlight reel runs but were fairly ordinary much of the rest of the time.
Many RBs are this way.  Known for being a HR-hitter in the football sense, but only average 4-5 ypc overall.  
Believe it or not, OJ Simpson was like that at USC.  
Led the nation in carries both years, led in yards, but nowhere near the top 10 in yards per carry.  And I know it's harder to do that the more carries you have (despite some ODD dissention from some of you, but it's a statistical fact), but still.  All you ever hear about is how fast he was and his long TD runs....career 5.1 ypc average is pretty meh.  
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Herschel Walker could be in this category.
Darren McFadden (especially considering what Felix Jones did behind him).
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You look at Michael Hart or Cedric Benson and understand why their ypc averages are pedestrian...they weren't fast or elusive, but they got the tough yards.  But if you sit there and look at it, how is Darren McFadden behind pudgy little Shonn Greene of Iowa in ypc?  
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Oregon's LaMichael James and Bama's Trent Richardson basically had identical seasons in consecutive years as Doak Walker winners...but could they have looked or ran more different?  
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Given football's 10 yards for  first down, you can keep your breakaway guys with the mediocre averages, because they aren't moving the chains.  They're not helping with time of possession, either.  They get the highlight, but as long as football is a 10-yard fight, I'll take the slow guy who keeps the punter on the sideline.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2022, 05:01:39 PM »
but, the breakaway guy gets in the endzone
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2022, 05:52:56 PM »
but, the breakaway guy gets in the endzone
Usually, and often on Sports Center.  This is one reason I'd take Nick Chubb over Herschel in a "Big Game".  Some of Nick's best runs were for 5 yards, I know many backs are like that.  If Herschel got past this LBs, he was gone, usually.  The speed was impressive.

The Dawgs have three pretty good RBs coming up this year, one of them might be a breakout player, Daijun Edwards, but he won't be the every down back.

I lean to RBs who make the defense wish they were somewhere else in quarter four.

 

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