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Topic: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2022, 07:12:53 PM »
Those yards per carry averages say "good OL" to me.  
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« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2022, 07:57:00 PM »
Garrison Hearst* was no slouch

probably a bit quicker and faster than Terrell

OAM would tell you that Terrell's average would have suffered if given the 250 carries
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« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2022, 11:09:11 PM »
So would every statistician on the planet...
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« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2022, 07:39:47 AM »
And every teamate would tell you & your statistician friends you're gamers.So he'd suck at 6.3 or 5.3 or 4.3 YPC ? Were those numbers misleading once in the Sunday League?He never broke a tackle?never juked a DB? Never followed a block to perfection?(something Nick Chubb does phenomenally)
His 1st 3 seasons in The League
4.7 YPC - 1117 yds
4.6 YPC - 1538 yds
4.7 YPC - 1750 yds
Season 4
5.1 YPC - 2008 yds
Pro Bowl every year except as a rookie.......then the knees
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2022, 08:36:49 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on April 22, 2022, 07:39:47 AM
And every teamate would tell you & your statistician friends you're gamers.So he'd suck at 6.3 or 5.3 or 4.3 YPC ? Were those numbers misleading once in the Sunday League?He never broke a tackle?never juked a DB? Never followed a block to perfection?(something Nick Chubb does phenomenally)
His 1st 3 seasons in The League
4.7 YPC - 1117 yds
4.6 YPC - 1538 yds
4.7 YPC - 1750 yds
Season 4
5.1 YPC - 2008 yds
Pro Bowl every year except as a rookie.......then the knees

You should find the space bar.
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Why aren't you listing the changes in personnel each year?  In coaches?  
What you're doing here is sharing something unrelated to the initial point.
I suggested that IF YOU REPLAYED THE SEASON, and gave Davis more carries, his yards per carry average would suffer.  A simple idea with virtually infinite data backing it that involves workload limits, regression to the mean, and others.  I don't think it's on purpose, but several here want to refute it probably because I'm the one posting it.  
Anyway, listing Davis' stats on a different team in a different league over different seasons doesn't absolutely nothing to refute anything I've suggested at all.  It's so unrelated that I'm not even sure there's a fallacy name for it.  
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2022, 09:06:23 PM »
It's on you - your the one caterwauling to the contrary prove he sucks slappie.....some peoples kids sheesh.Led the Broncos to 2 Super Bowls and all pro 3 of his 4 seasons and he should apologise to a gamer like you

              
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2022, 09:18:14 PM »
Your word use shows that you can't even wrap your head around this.

It's not about anyone sucking.
The high YPC in fewer attempts is only half of it.
I don't believe explaining it out will yield you gaining knowledge, just ignoring it.
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« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2022, 11:06:16 PM »
No you had to make your absolute statement that everyone agrees with you,can't give anyone credit. 2 super bowls 3 Allpro seasons in 4 yrs.Better at playing than you at posting.But that's nothing of note just an obvious observation
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2022, 03:08:49 AM »
You've gotten really weird, really fast.  Why is this suddenly an issue of me not crediting a player for what he did?  WTF?  Take your meds.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2022, 07:26:45 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 25, 2022, 03:08:49 AM
You've gotten really weird, really fast.  Why is this suddenly an issue of me not crediting a player for what he did?  WTF?  Take your meds.
Every statistician would agree with YOU,sure they would - of course.Every....single....one. And we know this is the truth because you have told us so. That doesn't even pass the say it out test - look in the mirror and repeat it.You simply can't help yourself before plunging into your usual lack of tact and today I'm your object of derision . I've shown many of your demented rants to a counselor friend of mine specializing in Personality Disorders.He suspects you may have High Functioning Aspergers Syndrome coupled with wisps of Tourette's, and probable use of Peyote Buttons
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2022, 07:44:21 AM »
I just thought he was an example of an overlooked very good RB in college.

Maybe this, maybe that.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2022, 08:40:56 AM »
This thread prompted me to look at some YPC for prominent college backs.  For a guy generally considered among the 5 best ever Herschel’s is sort of pedestrian.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2022, 08:49:17 AM »
It is, he had a lot of runs for little yardage, in part because everyone knew he would get the ball 35+ times a game.  Defenses would stack the line and on occasion that led to a breakout.  He's a good example of a back with some spectacular runs mixed in with some/many where not much happened.

He was not great at spotting slim openings, I think, and would at times hesitate in the backfield looking for something, and he who hesitates ...

What he had was unusual power to run over safeties and the like coupled with great speed, and the willingness to carry the ball repeatedly in games.  

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2022, 04:33:19 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on April 25, 2022, 08:40:56 AM
This thread prompted me to look at some YPC for prominent college backs.  For a guy generally considered among the 5 best ever Herschel’s is sort of pedestrian.
Very true.

Next, look at his volume (ie - carries) per season or per game and try to find comps.  There aren't many.  He did the workload of more than 1 normal RB.  Not quite 2, but more than 1.
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Walker is 18th in career carries.....everyone above him did it in 4 seasons, he in 3.  The next 20 spots below him also did theirs in 4 seasons.
You have to go down to 38th to find the next 3-year guy - Heisman winner Steve Owens, from OU.  He of the 4.3 ypc average for his career.  Walker's is a full yard higher.  
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