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Topic: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!

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Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« on: April 17, 2022, 10:18:40 AM »
ESPN strikes again!  Odd title, isn't it?  They should have called it "We don't know where to rank Jim Brown."
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So we all know ESPN is silly and dumb, but I just wanted to share this - their #1 college RB of all-time and their #20 choice.
Which is which?
RB A:  4,900 yds, 7.8 ypc, 49 TDs
RB B:  3.500 yds, 6.8 ypc, 49 TDs
Both had a 2500+ yd season.
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Then consider their #11 RB:
RB C:  6,100 yds, 6.7 ypc, 55 TDs
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They rank RBs by career, but have a one-season wonder a the top of their list.  If you create a list based on who was "best" or whatever, great, do that.  But then don't have Cedric Benson 15 spots ahead of Adrian Peterson, lol.  I know it's not a surprise, but a shitty ranking by some guy at ESPN.  Fun stuff.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2022, 10:39:11 AM »
sorry, can't simply rank players by the numbers

cause, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2022, 10:43:56 AM »
cause, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics
Do you know who said this?  Trick question.

As for list, my oh my.  Some folks will really get into an argument over opinions like this.  Obviously a list of top yardage gained is quantitative, and while true is also misleading.  My own list is which player would I like to have in my backfield for an NC game against an elite defense, and my choice would be Barry.

But career?  Not Barry.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2022, 10:50:54 AM »
career if Barry started 4 seasons???
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2022, 10:53:47 AM »
Not Mark Twain?
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2022, 10:54:25 AM »
Not Mark Twain?
He wrote it, quoting another person, who may have coined the phrase.  Or not.

The saying 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics' - meaning and origin. (phrases.org.uk)
The saying 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics' - meaning and origin. (phrases.org.uk)
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2022, 11:15:01 AM »
sorry, can't simply rank players by the numbers

cause, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics
I'm not advocating that.
I just advocate for consistency.  But it is what it is, lol.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2022, 11:27:02 AM »
my number 1 is Jim Brown

my number 2 is Earl Campbell

both of these RBs had remarkable yac stats 

they were not as fast as other top RBs but they got the job done in style

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2022, 11:30:39 AM »
I do agree that looking at some ESPN ranking can be "interesting" and even perhaps thought provoking.  I think posters here view it for what it's worth, which often is obviously pretty silly.  I didn't click on the link, the overall import of another Internet ranking of "Best College Towns" or "Best BBQ" doesn't help me any.

I glanced over some "Best Places to Retire" lists way back when, maybe a few stuck in memory to check out, mostly the criteria they used were not relevant to me.

I don't think much of Consumer Reports either.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2022, 11:42:43 AM »
I'm not advocating that.
I just advocate for consistency.  But it is what it is, lol.
consistency in what?  stats?
there's just not going to be much "consistency" in a personal opinion ranking of things

if you rank with pure stats or a computer formula there will be consistency, but then it's only consistent with those few factors.

doesn't take into account for offensive system, offensive line, defensive opponent strength, injuries, offensive playcalling, competition within the same team.  such as playing behind Thurman Thomas
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2022, 11:44:59 AM »
Yeah, the more I learn through researching for Whoa Nellie, the more I see so many articles/click bait as just lazy.

You can create a great "best of" list for RBs in 3 very easy, distinct ways:
1 - go by the stats, do the work - a kind of informative list, of careers
2 - go by the stats, do the work - a list of peaks (single season)
3 - go by ability level - obviously very subjective, but fun to argue about and no real 'right' answers
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Everyone seems to want to smash all 3 of these together, and I don't know why.  Each idea is tricky enough in itself.....a sliding scale of volume vs per-carry.....even considering awards, offense styles, etc.  
People trying to combine 1 and 2 above bother me just as much as combining 1 and 2 with 3.  Obviously, I don't give a shit about running style or NFL productivity, but both seem to strongly influence these lists and many people's opinions.  I just find them utterly irrelevant.  
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None of it matters.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2022, 11:50:42 AM »
It can be an off season topic of discussion.  More of interest to me would be "forgotten players who were really good".  We all pretty much know who the top RBs were, with rankings that would vary.  Your ranking would differ from mine, neither are right, neither are wrong.

If I had an important game an one Dawg RB, I think I would favor Nick Chubb.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2022, 11:50:49 AM »
ESPN strikes again!  Odd title, isn't it?  They should have called it "We don't know where to rank Jim Brown."
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So we all know ESPN is silly and dumb, but I just wanted to share this - their #1 college RB of all-time and their #20 choice.
Which is which?
RB A:  4,900 yds, 7.8 ypc, 49 TDs
RB B:  3.500 yds, 6.8 ypc, 49 TDs
Both had a 2500+ yd season.
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Then consider their #11 RB:
RB C:  6,100 yds, 6.7 ypc, 55 TDs
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They rank RBs by career, but have a one-season wonder a the top of their list.  If you create a list based on who was "best" or whatever, great, do that.  But then don't have Cedric Benson 15 spots ahead of Adrian Peterson, lol.  I know it's not a surprise, but a shitty ranking by some guy at ESPN.  Fun stuff.

Both A and B were 1-year starters, fun fact.

It’s funny, because this article is giving you exactly what you want. You want very much to be annoyed by ESPN and annoyed by rankings. And this content essentially provides it.

It was written by one of ESPN’s most thoughtful college football guys. He freely admits it was a frivolity. But serious people have this deep thirst to treat this like it MATTERS, and in that sense, his diversion is serving you, the reader.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of the past 60 years!
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2022, 11:53:25 AM »
consistency in what?  stats?
there's just not going to be much "consistency" in a personal opinion ranking of things

Well like I said, the guy is ranking them, citing their careers, and has Barry Sanders #1.  That in itself is inconsistent.
Why bother posting their career stats if that's not much of an influence on your rankings? lol
He can have Sanders #1, but then don't have Cedric Benson - Mr. Pedestrian, ranked 15 spots higher than Adrian Peterson.  Don't have Archie Griffin 2nd.  Don't have Jonathan Taylor 11th, lol.  
Again, none of it matters, but if I sat the writer down to defend ranking Willis MdGehee over Warrick Dunn, he couldn't.  The sole argument would be peak season (singular), but then he has 2,000 yard single-season rushers ranked down in the 70s and 60s.  
It's silly, that's all.  
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Even when something doesn't ultimately matter, like these rankings/lists/clickbait, there can stiill be a consistent methodology.
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