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Cincydawg

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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #126 on: May 23, 2025, 08:00:43 AM »
I am reminded of our collective attempt to construct a computer ranking poll, with help from TheBobs.  The first few algorithms of course were simplistic, so we added terms, adjusted coefficients, diddled around ... all to make the computer poll look more like the human polls ....

The entire thing was interesting, but circular.  You already had the desired result, you just wanted the computer to reproduce it.

We quit.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #127 on: May 23, 2025, 08:10:07 AM »
Well from that B1G start, we could list a few hundred RBs and take guys off until there's 100.  Don't have to rank them.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #128 on: May 23, 2025, 08:22:45 AM »
This automatically ranks them as top 100, or not.  But have at it, I'm mildly entertained.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #129 on: May 23, 2025, 09:50:26 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 23, 2025, 08:00:43 AM
I am reminded of our collective attempt to construct a computer ranking poll, with help from TheBobs.  The first few algorithms of course were simplistic, so we added terms, adjusted coefficients, diddled around ... all to make the computer poll look more like the human polls ....

The entire thing was interesting, but circular.  You already had the desired result, you just wanted the computer to reproduce it.

We quit.
Yep. And this was the problem with the computer polls in the BCS. 

We had to keep tweaking them every year to get the "right" result. 

What's the "right" result? 

When they're the same as the human polls. 
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #130 on: May 23, 2025, 09:55:16 AM »
almost the same
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #131 on: May 23, 2025, 10:09:50 AM »
This is an issue I have with such algorithms, include the ones that attempt to predict such things as sea level rise and mean temperature increases.

They may be "right", but you're checking them against a "known", until they generate the "known", which is already ..... "known".
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #132 on: May 23, 2025, 10:20:52 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 23, 2025, 10:09:50 AM
This is an issue I have with such algorithms, include the ones that attempt to predict such things as sea level rise and mean temperature increases.

They may be "right", but you're checking them against a "known", until they generate the "known", which is already ..... "known".
It's like the year after Katrina, when NOAA tweaked their formula and started predicting a massive increase in major hurricanes over the next several years... and then it didn't happen.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #133 on: May 23, 2025, 12:46:36 PM »
One of my favorite quotes is "The inverted yield curve has predicted 9 out of the last 4 recessions."

It's been invested so long now no one pays attention to it.  And yes, it did uninvert briefly, the 2/10.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #134 on: May 23, 2025, 01:26:42 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 23, 2025, 08:22:45 AM
This automatically ranks them as top 100, or not.  But have at it, I'm mildly entertained.
Then I can die happy.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #135 on: May 23, 2025, 04:53:57 PM »
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #136 on: May 24, 2025, 01:19:48 AM »
SEC RBs by school:
Alabama: basically every RB under Saban, Shaun Alexander, Musso, Nathan, Bobby Humphrey
UGA:  Herschel, Chubb, Gurley, Michel, Hearst, Tate, Swif,t Moreno, Hampton, Trippi
Tenn:  Lewis, Henry, Stewart, Jones, Graham, Sampson, Cobb, Garner
LSU: Faulk, Hilliard, Alexander, Fournette, Guice, Harvey Williams, Scott, Hill, Cannon
Florida: Emmitt, Rhett, Fred, Neal Anderson, Graham, Demps & Rainey, DuBose, John L Williams
Auburn:  Bo, Cadillac, Jarquez Hunter, Mason, Fullwood, Davis, Brooks, Cribbs, Brown, McCalebb, Bigsby
OM: McAllister, Judkins, Bolden, Innocent, Ealy, McCluster, Flowers, Wilkins, Baldwin
UK:  Snell Jr, Rodriguez, Moe Williams, Collins, Higgs, Boom Williams, Little, Rose, Homer, Cobb, Bowden Jr (WR Wildcat extraordinaire)
Vandy: Webb, Stacy, Vaughn, Mordica....boy, anyone with any TDs has a low ypc, anyone with a decent ypc has no TDs.  Vandy gonna Vandy
Miss St: Dixon, Norwood, Packer, Haddix, James Johnson, Ballard, Robinson, Marks, Walker
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #137 on: May 24, 2025, 01:39:52 AM »
ACC off the top of my head.....
UNC has Amos and the other guy from the early 80s.  Lawrence?  Maybe it's Amos Lawrence, idk.
FSU has Dunn, Sammie Smith, Amp Lee
UVA has Kirby and Barber.....Thomas Jones
GT:  Eddie Lee Ivory, Choice
Maryland:  Bruce Perry....Mcfarland who just left
Duke:  pass
WF:  pass
NCST:  McClendon...and a guy who was the ACC's all-time rushing leader before Dunn, idk his name
Clemson:  Etienne, Terry Allen, Spiller, Priester
okay, let's see who I missed....
NCST guy is Ted Brown.  Plus Stephens was good.
UNC guys are Lawrence and Bryant
Dalvin Cook for FSU
Lamont Jordan for UMd
WF - Charles Barclay
ohh, Dwyer on GT.  
Clemson - Davis, Ellington, Gallman
UNC - Leon Johnson, Hampton, Voight, Carter
Duke has no candidates for the top 100 RBs of all-time.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #138 on: May 24, 2025, 07:06:45 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 23, 2025, 10:09:50 AM
This is an issue I have with such algorithms
Ya I saw them when they opened up for Judas Priest in like '92 - not impressed
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #139 on: May 24, 2025, 07:07:04 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2025, 01:38:59 AM
Big Ten candidates for the top 100 RBs of all-time:

UNL - Rozier, Green, Phillips
Husker top 3 IMO
Personal fav and passes the "eye test" Roger Craig for 4th
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