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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #168 on: August 28, 2019, 11:24:06 PM »
There are 8 FCS vs G5 games on Thursday night.

How many does the FCS win?
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #169 on: August 29, 2019, 08:01:38 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 28, 2019, 01:54:27 PM
like UT Martin and Towson?
Well played 
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #170 on: August 29, 2019, 08:19:15 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 28, 2019, 08:22:30 PM
Yes, they were good on defense even after Buddy, but the entire defense (except the Fridge) and even some of the offense hated Ditka - another egomaniac.

In that strike year, Ditka said the "real" Bears were the substitute players on the field, and not the ones on strike. And then there was Flutie... That was the end.

I blame him more than anything for the Bears not winning more, like the '49'ers did in those days.
Yeah, this is also true. Ditka was a huge egomaniac as well and his drafting/picking of offensive players and his ability as an offensive coach were definitely sorely lacking. Bears probably should've won 2 Super Bowls imo. Probably should've gone back to back in '85 and '86.

Bears never could've had a dynasty of winning 5 Super Bowls like the 49ers did though imo. They didn't have an architecht to put it all together like the great Bill Walsh. Bill Walsh to me is still the greatest NFL coach ever. He created the most succesful and copied offensive scheme in the history of the NFL that won 5 Super Bowls and turned two different QB's into NFL HOF'ers and Super Bowl champions. He was maybe the greatest personnel guy in the history of the NFL draft. Look at how many draft picks he just crushed. It's insane. He was also great at picking coaches. His coaching tree is littered with assistants who went on to win Super Bowls. Bill Walsh is the GOAT of NFL coaches. And it's not even remotely close imo.
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« Reply #171 on: August 29, 2019, 08:52:07 AM »
The other ego in the room, Mike McCaskey, decided he didn't need a GM anymore. Out went Jerry Vainisi and, before him, Jim Finks.

Finks resigned because of Ditka. He's the one who drafted the foundation of the team, and Vainisi followed him with some great drafts himself. Vainsi drafted Barry Sanders for the Lions too.
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #172 on: August 29, 2019, 09:05:12 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 29, 2019, 08:19:15 AM

Bears never could've had a dynasty of winning 5 Super Bowls like the 49ers did though imo. They didn't have an architecht to put it all together like the great Bill Walsh. Bill Walsh to me is still the greatest NFL coach ever. He created the most succesful and copied offensive scheme in the history of the NFL that won 5 Super Bowls and turned two different QB's into NFL HOF'ers and Super Bowl champions. He was maybe the greatest personnel guy in the history of the NFL draft. Look at how many draft picks he just crushed. It's insane. He was also great at picking coaches. His coaching tree is littered with assistants who went on to win Super Bowls. Bill Walsh is the GOAT of NFL coaches. And it's not even remotely close imo.
You do know Walsh's West Coast offense was taken when Sam Wyche,yes that Sam Wyche dusted off some of Paul Browns old playbooks in Cincinnati.Both coached there under PB.When Walsh didn't get the Bengals job in '79 which went to Tiger Johnson,he took the playbook and headed west to SF.The rest as they say is History.Those quick slants were being run by Otto Graham,Dante Lavelli,Mac Speedie in the '40s - '50s in Cleveland
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #173 on: August 29, 2019, 10:51:00 AM »
According to USA Today research, Nebraska is one of seven Big Ten schools that will pay opponents at least $1 million for a season-opening game:

» Michigan vs. Middle Tennessee: $1.6 million

» Penn State vs. Idaho: $1.45 million

» Ohio State vs. Florida Atlantic: $1.4 million

» Rutgers vs. Massachusetts: $1.3 million

» Nebraska vs. South Alabama: $1.2 million


» Iowa vs. Miami (Ohio): $1.2 million

» Illinois vs. Akron: $1.1 million

The priciest game, according to USA Today, will be Auburn's $1,937,500 payout to Tulane.

Nebraska will pay Northern Illinois $920,000 for its Sept. 14 game. That's technically cheaper than 2017, when the Huskers paid the Huskies $820,000 to play in Lincoln after shelling out more than $1 million to cancel a previous agreement with NIU to play the 2017 game at Soldier Field in Chicago.
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #174 on: August 29, 2019, 11:44:14 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 29, 2019, 09:05:12 AM
You do know Walsh's West Coast offense was taken when Sam Wyche,yes that Sam Wyche dusted off some of Paul Browns old playbooks in Cincinnati.Both coached there under PB.When Walsh didn't get the Bengals job in '79 which went to Tiger Johnson,he took the playbook and headed west to SF.The rest as they say is History.Those quick slants were being run by Otto Graham,Dante Lavelli,Mac Speedie in the '40s - '50s in Cleveland
This is completely inaccurate. Sam Wyche was a player for the Bengals in the late '60s, and he was coached by Bill Walsh- who was an OC, WR's and QB's coach for the Bengals from 1968 to 1975. Wyche was never even an assistant coach for the Bengals. He was only ever the head coach, and that came much later in the 1980s.

Bill Walsh basically invented the west coast offense out of necessity. The #5 overall pick in the draft and the Bengals first round draft pick in 1969 was a QB named Greg Cook- he was a "next John Elway" type 15 years before "the next John Elway" was ever a thing. He was 6'4, 225, very athletic, and had a cannon for an arm. Cook won the Bengals starting QB job as a rookie and tore his throwing shoulder terribly that rookie year- which basically ended his career. The back-up QB was a noodle armed journeyman named Virgil Carter- and Bill Walsh had to re-invent the Bengals entire offense- which had been a deep vertical passing game with Cook- on the fly because Carter didn't have the arm to make any throws down the field.

Bill Walsh didn't get the Bengals job in '76 and he went out to San Diego to be the Chargers' offensive co-ordinator and to work with HOF QB Dan Fouts. Stanford offered Bill Walsh the head coaching job the very next year in '77 so he took it, and he didn't leave to go to San Fransisco until '79. 

Paul Brown was a petty old egomaniac who was insanely jealous of Jim Brown back in his Cleveland days, and insanely jealous of Bill Walsh in his Bengals days. Bill Walsh invented that offense and his intellect in football and in general made Paul Brown look like a dumb dumb. Bill Walsh was a freaking genius. Don't get it twisted.
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #175 on: August 29, 2019, 11:54:56 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2019, 08:52:07 AM
The other ego in the room, Mike McCaskey, decided he didn't need a GM anymore. Out went Jerry Vainisi and, before him, Jim Finks.

Finks resigned because of Ditka. He's the one who drafted the foundation of the team, and Vainisi followed him with some great drafts himself. Vainsi drafted Barry Sanders for the Lions too.
Barry Sanders is the best draft pick the Lions ever made. But I think anyone could've nailed that #3 overall '89 pick. Look at the two picks right after Barry Sanders- Derrick Thomas to the Chiefs and Deion Sanders to the Falcons. Three HOF'ers and three of the greatest players ever period drafted right in a row. You take any one of those guys at #3 and you made one of the best draft picks in franchise history. Vainsi was only in Detroit 1 year, so it's hard to say what he could've done if he had stayed longer.

I will say this, Vainsi did a pretty poor job with most of the Lions other 12 draft picks in 1989. Ray Crockett was very good, but the other picks were pretty bad. Which is pretty typical of most Lions drafts.
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #176 on: August 29, 2019, 12:59:43 PM »
Troy Aikman turned out pretty good at #1

the Packers got what they deserve in  Tony Mandarich - could have had one of the other 3
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« Reply #177 on: August 29, 2019, 01:35:40 PM »
The paying of cupcakes is a brilliant business plan.....shell out money to a team that will put the fewest butts in seats.  Sheesh.
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« Reply #178 on: August 29, 2019, 01:37:44 PM »
Speaking of Ditka and coaching and drafting.....everyone knows the legendary Cowboys trade of Hershel Walker to the Vikings for 3 future Super Bowl titles.  It was a trade so lopsided that no one would ever repeat it....until Ditka did with the Saints.  He traded nearly an entire draft to get Ricky Williams.


No matter who he drafted, he didn't learn from history.  So he was doomed to repeat it.  Something no one else ever wanted to repeat.
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #179 on: August 29, 2019, 01:38:12 PM »
the fewest butts at UNL is still a sellout and north of 80,000

perhaps not so much other places
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« Reply #180 on: August 29, 2019, 01:41:20 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 29, 2019, 01:37:44 PM
Speaking of Ditka and coaching and drafting.....everyone knows the legendary Cowboys trade of Hershel Walker to the Vikings for 3 future Super Bowl titles.  It was a trade so lopsided that no one would ever repeat it....until Ditka did with the Saints.  He traded nearly an entire draft to get Ricky Williams.


No matter who he drafted, he didn't learn from history.  So he was doomed to repeat it.  Something no one else ever wanted to repeat.
Minnesota Vikings General Manager Mike Lynn.
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« Reply #181 on: August 29, 2019, 02:46:01 PM »
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