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Topic: There's honest to God football this week

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Kris60

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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #140 on: August 27, 2019, 10:16:12 PM »
At this point I'm more so presenting commentary on the B12; 2 points based on looking at the conference's signing classes last FEB:

1. All of the Top 20 recruits signed with either OKLAHOMA or TEXAS

2. All of the Top 8 recruits are on the offensive side of the ball, 7 of those 8 are skill positions

Alex T: "A Two team conference emphasizing offense"
Jeopardy: "What is the Big 12"
Meh, I’ll start calling it a two team conference when Texas isn’t in a tie for 5th for best conference record since this configuration of the Big 12 started in 2012.

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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #141 on: August 27, 2019, 10:23:22 PM »
Clones could be the 2nd team this season while playing some defense
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #142 on: August 27, 2019, 11:11:01 PM »
Who is the tailback at Michigan this year? Another 4* kid? I'll reserve judgement until I see production (and a depth chart, or not).
Tru Wilson is the veteran starter; the only thing he hasn't shown in his career is top-end speed, but he has great vision to make up for it (5.9 YPC in 2018) and could be M's best pass-protecting RB since Mike Hart. Otherwise, the RB depth chart goes 4-deep in terms of guys who've earned the snaps.

One of them, Zach Charbonnet (Shar-Bo-Nay), is the 5-star of the future. Harbaugh's first at RB. He's a TrFr now. Maybe 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart. A lot of promise with him (and he has the great coaching and great OL that none of Michigan's previous 5-star RB busts ever had), but yes the obvious thing is true: we will have to wait and see on him.
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #143 on: August 27, 2019, 11:14:03 PM »
Not at all. It's just that you posted about Dillon, immediately in the post after I posted about Dillon.
:1rij:
That was on purpose. You posted about Dillon and UW and I posted about Dillon and Michigan to emphasize the shared experience.

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« Reply #144 on: August 27, 2019, 11:35:23 PM »
...except Faulk would've started at CB if he was a Cane.
except...in my original post I said imagine if Miami had actually let him play RB. The only reason he ever wound up at San Diego State was because his dream school and really the only place he wanted to go- Miami- wouldn't let him play RB.

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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #145 on: August 27, 2019, 11:46:39 PM »
Devil’s advocate post here.  McNair isn’t an all time great NFL QB.  He was a good, solid QB.  He wasn’t an all-timer in either stats or accomplishments.  Could he have pushed UF to a national title?  Sure, I mean, who the hell knows?  It’s not a crazy argument but not rock solid either.  Would have been fun to see though.
McNair is only the best D-1AA/FCS college football player ever and he was the #3 overall pick in the 1995  NFL draft. He was much better than a good, solid QB. He was a great NFL QB for several years. His first two years in Houston were wasted years on the bench, but that was because he was playing for that idiot Jeff Fisher. McNair was among the elite of the elite QB's in the NFL for a good 5-6 year stretch. He basically carried a mediocre Tennessee team on his back to the Super Bowl in '99 and got them literally a yard away from taking the greatest show on turf to OT in the Super Bowl. He won the leauge MVP in 2003- he probably should've won it the year before in 2002 as well. He made multiple Pro Bowls and really was held back from being an all-time great NFL QB by two things: 1) his body broke down bc of all the injuries and 2) Jeff Fisher's dumbass. Jeff Fisher is one of the worst head coaches of all-time. Blows my mind how he kept NFL head coaching jobs for so long. It's astounding really.

You're underestimating just how good Steve McNair really was. The guy was unreal. Absolutely phenomenal. He was a bigger, stronger, more athletic version of Steve Young- except he had an absolute cannon. I'd have loved to see what McNair could've done working under an absolute maestro and offensive genius like Bill Walsh instead of a friggin moron like Jeff Fisher. I have a feeling you'd be talking about him as an all-time great.

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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #146 on: August 27, 2019, 11:51:07 PM »
Tru Wilson is the veteran starter; the only thing he hasn't shown in his career is top-end speed, but he has great vision to make up for it (5.9 YPC in 2018) and could be M's best pass-protecting RB since Mike Hart. Otherwise, the RB depth chart goes 4-deep in terms of guys who've earned the snaps.

One of them, Zach Charbonnet (Shar-Bo-Nay), is the 5-star of the future. Harbaugh's first at RB. He's a TrFr now. Maybe 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart. A lot of promise with him (and he has the great coaching and great OL that none of Michigan's previous 5-star RB busts ever had), but yes the obvious thing is true: we will have to wait and see on him.
Lmao. What? I think you drink the kool-aid too much my man. Tru Wilson a veteran starter? Lmao. He's a walk-on who has shown basically nothing. Best pass protecting RB since Mike Hart? Huh? What? The RB chart goes 4-deep in terms of guys who've earned snaps? What?? The RB depth chart is this: Charbonnet or bust.

Charbonnet wasn't a 5* by the way. He probably should've been though.

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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #147 on: August 28, 2019, 12:07:28 AM »
UW wanted him at tailback, but got "stuck" with Taylor.


Who is the tailback at Michigan this year? Another 4* kid? I'll reserve judgement until I see production (and a depth chart, or not).
UW got "stuck" with the right guy.

True frosh Zach Charbonnet should be the RB. If he isn't, I'll be flabbergasted. The RB depth chart sucks, and Charbonnet is CLEARLY the most talented. 

And yes, he was a 4* but he probably should've been a 5*. He's the first RB that Michigan has recruited in a long time that I am legitimately excited about. Basically ever RB recruit since 5* RB Kevin Grady back in 2005 class has had some kind of hole or something you could nitpick about. Charbonnet is the best RB on paper at least- by a coutnry mile they've landed in like 15 years.

Kevin Grady - overweight, not that fast, played very weak HS compeition.
Carlos Brown - explosive athlete, very fast. never even played RB in HS however.
Derrick Green - see Kevin Grady. He was just a bigger, stronger version of Grady.
Kareem Walker - got ranked as an early 5* off of his monster frosh and soph. seasons, fell off in his junior and senior seasons and saw his recruit rankings free fall off cliff. Might've been a case of a guy peaking early and then regressing.

Antonio Bass, Jabrill Peppers, or Brian Cole would've been the best RB's that Michigan had in ages- except they didn't play any of those guys at RB. Bass was moved to WR and blew out his knee in a freak accident in practice. Peppers was moved to defense and was a 1st round NFL draft pick. Cole was moved to defense as well and he also got himself kicked out of school. Any one of them could've been a great RB- they were certainly explosive athletes with great physical builds, change of direction, burst, and speed. Michigan has been sorely lacking RB's with those kind of traits. For years.

Zach Charbonnet displays those kinds of physical traits and more and shows great burst and speed and power on film playing against the very best compeition in the state of California- was a dominant HS player who got better every year and oh yeah he's 6'1+ and 215+ as a true freshman. Honestly think he should've been a 5*. He looks way better than Kevin Grady or Derrick Green ever did. And he's bigger and faster and plays way better HS competition than those guys did.

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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #148 on: August 28, 2019, 12:10:02 AM »
Tru Wilson is a veteran (is a redshirt senior) and is in the pole position on the depth chart (he is now a starter). I called him a veteran starter. Reality fits the definition of the words I used.

As for Tru's vision despite midlevel speed, that fits his performance last year. His 5.9 YPC was the best on the team.

And last year, Wilson was no doubt the team's best pass protector at tailback, meaning he was better than Higdon.
[EDIT: yes, Tru is an "elite pass protector":
https://mgoblog.com/content/preview-2019-running-back
he does things like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=qtOnWin-jzI
/EDIT]

As for Charbonnet, he was #38 in the nation according to 247 (#46 on the Composite). Top 50 used to be 5-star territory according to at least one of the services. Not sure when that changed.
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #149 on: August 28, 2019, 12:24:02 AM »
I remember hearing about Grady and purposely looking for him in UM games and was like "uhhhh, he's fat."  And slow.  And didn't run people over.  And wasn't shifty.  
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #150 on: August 28, 2019, 08:39:00 AM »
Charbonnet is the best RB on paper at least- by a coutnry mile they've landed in like 15 years.

Kevin Grady - overweight, not that fast, played very weak HS compeition.
Carlos Brown - explosive athlete, very fast. never even played RB in HS however.
Derrick Green - see Kevin Grady. He was just a bigger, stronger version of Grady.
Kareem Walker - got ranked as an early 5* off of his monster frosh and soph. seasons, fell off in his junior and senior seasons and saw his recruit rankings free fall off cliff. Might've been a case of a guy peaking early and then regressing.
Obviously Kareem disappeared but IMO Brown was the head scratcher.Thought he would/should have made a much better accounting
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #151 on: August 28, 2019, 08:53:38 AM »
Jeff Fisher is one of the worst head coaches of all-time. Blows my mind how he kept NFL head coaching jobs for so long. It's astounding really.
Ya maybe because he looked good with his stache & shades or played the camera right.He got the Titans to the Big Dance once but not sure how much of that talent he drafted. HC for 24 seasons I think,screw up move up,he kept getting contracts.For as bad as many of his teams were he should have compiled better talent all those years.The type of coach the Browns seemed continually intersted in,surprised they never hooked up
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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #152 on: August 28, 2019, 10:57:04 AM »
Jeff Fisher is one of the worst head coaches of all-time. Blows my mind how he kept NFL head coaching jobs for so long. It's astounding really.
The internet debate over whether July 9 or August 8 is Jeff Fisher Day is fantastic

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Re: There's honest to God football this week
« Reply #153 on: August 28, 2019, 11:36:06 AM »
Ask Jared Goff how much of a dumbass Jeff Fisher was

 

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