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Topic: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)

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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #252 on: December 29, 2024, 09:51:56 AM »
smart ADs will schedule bigtime non-con games

why?
Because $$$$

more than ever before, it takes $$$ to win at the highest level
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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #253 on: December 29, 2024, 11:05:43 AM »
Compare two teams in the future, one has two solid OOC games they split, and the other has one that they won.  Both have the same conference record, say 7-2,  Who gets that 12th pick?  It depends on the conference slate of course, I don't think the OOC loss would be that damaging if it's to a good team and not a blowout.

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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #254 on: December 29, 2024, 12:00:51 PM »
Bammer is the obvious example, since they whined the most

Let's say they played and won against the Badgers in Wisconsin - BUT the Badgers finished 10-2 and ranked highly
Let's say Bama played a decent team such as Pitt, North Carolina, or Georgia Tech at 6-6 instead of MERCER

I'd guess that might bump their 3-loss suckbutt into the playoff
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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #255 on: December 29, 2024, 12:17:55 PM »
smart ADs will schedule bigtime non-con games

why?
Because $$$$

more than ever before, it takes $$$ to win at the highest level
You get a lot of money to have fewer losses and get into the playoff, no?
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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #256 on: December 29, 2024, 12:26:10 PM »
It's bad for the sport.  Maybe more watch in the last 2 weeks of November, but there's now ZERO reason to watch in September.  No big OOC games matter, as they all get a mulligan.
Big OOC games are going to slowly decrease over time, as best record is all that matters, not who it's actually against.
I'd argue people watching the sport this way was, has been and always will be bad for the sport. 

If the value of watching games is limited to that particular game's impact on the national title race, we're screwed and we've always been that way. That part has to be in addition to other ways to get joy from watching football. The mulligan thing strikes me as untrue as well. For a long time, the SEC got a functional mulligan. They always got the first tie-breaker with one loss, and having two other undefeated P5 teams was just very rare. But I have sense that didn't mean there was ZERO reason to watch a lot of SEC football. 

The OOC thing is funny as well because that has literally always been the way it's been. If teams wanted to compete nationally, the upside of a big non-conference win was always outweighed by the downside of a loss. Shoot, I remember back in 2008, Ohio  State scheduled USC and got crushed in Week 3. They didn't get credit for it. There was no mulligan of forgiveness. Everyone just said "well, I guess they're out of the title race." Somehow that didn't discourage OOC games (I do think there's a tiebreaker factor, and that actually once swung a national title, but that's another story).

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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #257 on: December 29, 2024, 12:54:59 PM »
I can recall when the UGA coach (Dooley) basically said their goal was to make a bowl game and playing enough pastries made that more likely.  It wasn't said outright, but they didn't schedule much OOC outside Tech for many years.  This was when playing 5 or 6 conference games was typical.  

They went decades without playing north of Kentucky.  So, things seem a lot better now, but next year their OOC slate is crap because Texas joined the SEC and UCLA joined the B1G.  It gets a bit tougher to schedule these days.  

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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #258 on: December 29, 2024, 02:31:37 PM »
You get a lot of money to have fewer losses and get into the playoff, no?
do playoff teams get all the playoff game money?  or does it go to the conference and distributed?
scheduling a big time home game in Sept is worth some real coin
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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #259 on: December 29, 2024, 02:40:18 PM »
I think playing some major OOC opponent in September also goes to the conference (TV revenue).  Most elite programs sell out no matter what.

I "think" there is still incentive to schedule up OOC, and perhaps take an extra loss, if combined with say two solid wins.

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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #260 on: December 29, 2024, 02:47:06 PM »
many perks come with top shelf home games

boosters of substance like to set in their skyboxes for those games
4 & 5-star recruits like to be on the sideline for those games
there's a chance to host GameDay
the national TV audience will be larger with better ratings
a loss may keep you out of the playoff might keep you out of the playoff, but a win may get you in or result in a better seed 
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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #261 on: December 29, 2024, 02:57:21 PM »
The recruiting part alone might be plenty of reason to "schedule up".

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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #262 on: December 29, 2024, 09:09:33 PM »
do playoff teams get all the playoff game money?  or does it go to the conference and distributed?
scheduling a big time home game in Sept is worth some real coin
I don't know which amount is more.
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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #263 on: December 29, 2024, 09:09:50 PM »
The recruiting part alone might be plenty of reason to "schedule up".
This is extremely antiquated thinking now.  
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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #264 on: December 29, 2024, 09:11:13 PM »
many perks come with top shelf home games

boosters of substance like to set in their skyboxes for those games
4 & 5-star recruits like to be on the sideline for those games

there's a chance to host GameDay
the national TV audience will be larger with better ratings
a loss may keep you out of the playoff might keep you out of the playoff, but a win may get you in or result in a better seed
These 3 make a big-opponent home game risky.  The booster may donate less.  The 5* recruit may no longer dig your school.  More millions of people watch you lose.  

“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: The New Newer Newest Era of College Football (SOC Playoffs Round 1)
« Reply #265 on: December 29, 2024, 09:11:29 PM »
extremely?

how about the Gator's Frosh QB?
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