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Topic: #3 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) at #2 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game

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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) at #2 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #112 on: November 28, 2022, 03:58:29 PM »
I admire Day for not throwing anyone under the bus and saying he just felt like punting when they kept asking about it.
Totally agree.  It’s him that is taking major criticism.  
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« Reply #113 on: November 28, 2022, 04:20:55 PM »
I’ve read some OSU forums and Facebook groups today. A few times I saw people calling Stroud “soft” for not running more. I think some people have lost their mind. Stroud is one of the best in the game in my opinion. 

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« Reply #114 on: November 29, 2022, 10:56:37 AM »
I admire Day for not throwing anyone under the bus and saying he just felt like punting when they kept asking about it.
his players appreciate that and love him for that- guarantee that much. how many a-hole coaches throw players under the bus all the time? Brian Kelly and Mike Leach come to mind immediately...

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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) at #2 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #115 on: November 29, 2022, 12:26:35 PM »
Keep piling it on Mdot I'm on to you.Brady Hoke had close games with tOSU except 2014 and that loss was only by 14. Day's transgressions have been far worse.Hoke got fired ofter 4 yrs,Day is finishing his 4 th,hmmm.
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Re: #3 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) at #2 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #116 on: November 29, 2022, 12:40:30 PM »
Keep piling it on Mdot I'm on to you.Brady Hoke had close games with tOSU except 2014 and that loss was only by 14. Day's transgressions have been far worse.Hoke got fired ofter 4 yrs,Day is finishing his 4 th,hmmm.
I get it  Nubbz.  He has lost 2 straight to the arch rival.  And, you can make a good argument that this last one was purely a choke job coaching.  Many national writers have.  It is fair criticism.

How many years did it take Harbaugh to figure out how to beat his rival?  7!    What is his win %  against them?  28%.  What is Day’s?  33%

Your talking about a coach who is 45-5, 2 Big Ten Tiles in 4 years, and 2 CFP appearances. 

Harbaugh did great- his team was confident but loose.  Because he was playing with house money. He did a great job of conveying that to his players, and a great job game planning. 

Day and his players came in confident, but tense as hell.  The pressure, much of it self imposed, was on him- and unfortunately he did a great job of conveying that to his players. 

Day actually did a good job of game planning as did Knowles-but unfortunately panicked when adversity hit and failed to make adjustments.

It happens.  They will learn from it.

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« Reply #117 on: November 29, 2022, 12:41:27 PM »
I'm coming back to my theme that the problem Saturday wasn't the defense, it was the offense.  Yes, the defense wasn't perfect but they played well enough to win, the offense didn't.  

Things that happen at the end of games can skew the stats and give a misleading picture.  Michigan's rushing on Saturday is a great example of this.  For the game Michigan had 35 carries for 252 yards and 3 TD's on an average of 7.2 per carry.  It sounds like they ran it down tOSU's throat all game long.  The thing is that Michigan's last two TD's were runs of 75 and 85 yards.  Take those away and Michigan's rushing totals were 33 carries for 92 yards and 1 TD on an average of 2.8 per carry.  

Now I know that you can't just subtract a couple plays and say "see, great!".  However, I don't blame the defense for what happened on those two plays.  The defense took a calculated risk that they HAD to take based on the situation in the game.  

The situation:
Ohio State kicked a FG to make it a one-score game at 31-23.  That IS a one score game but it requires a LOT.  Ohio State has to stop Michigan, score a TD, make the two point conversion, and win in OT.  Michigan got the ball on the 25 from a touchback after the FG.  The ball was snapped with 7:11 remaining.  In theory tOSU could give up a first down or two and still get the ball back with enough time to score but that puts EVERYTHING on the 2 point conversion.  What Ohio State really needs here is a three-and-out.  Even at that, Michigan will likely burn 1-1/2 to 2 minutes just running three times so IF Ohio State forces a three-and-out they likely get the ball back with a little over five minutes to play.  By forcing a three-and-out Ohio State would potentially have an insurance policy in case they fail to convert the 2 point conversion.  

Thus, I simply don't blame Knowles / the defense for putting basically everybody on the line in this situation.  They feel like they almost HAVE to get a three-and-out so there really isn't any point in having a layered defense that could have tackled Edwards 15-20 yards down the field because once he gets the first down the game is almost certainly lost anyway so lets fight to stop him cold.  

The second situation:
This one isn't even debatable.  Michigan was up by two scores (15 points, 38-23) and got the ball from an INT at their own 8.  The first down snap was with 4:11 to go and they gained six yards.  At this point the game is almost certainly lost no matter what but the only chance Ohio State has is to force a three-and-out and get the ball back with MAYBE 2 minutes left needing two TD's, one XP, and a 2pt conversion.  At that point you HAVE to stack the line and they did:

  • 1st and 10 at the 8 with 4:11 to go, Edwards for 6
  • 2nd and 4 at the 14 with 3:31 to go, Edwards for 1
  • 3rd and 3 at the 15 with 3:19 to go (after a tOSU timeout), Edwards for an 85 yard TD.  
The TD there matters for style points but as far as the outcome of the game is concerned Ohio State's last remotely plausible chance was gone as soon as Edwards crossed the 18 and had the first down.  At that point there was <3 minutes to go, Michigan led by two scores, and tOSU had already used at least one timeout.  Whether Edwards gets tackled at the Michigan 20 for a five yard gain or runs 80 more yards for a TD is completely irrelevant.  Ohio State's last chance evaporated when he crossed the 18.  Everything after that is academic.  

Per the above, I really don't blame the tOSU defense for the above two plays because they simply took a calculated risk that they HAD to take based on the game situation.  

Here is why I blame the offense:
In the first half the buckeyes had the following drives:
  • 12 plays, 81 yards, TD
  • 10 plays, 58 yards, FG (got to 1st and 10 at the M 15, gained one yard on three plays and kicked the FG)
  • 8 plays, 36 yards, downs (got to 4th and 2 at the M 34 and failed to pick it up)
  • 4 plays, 21 yards, punt
  • 6 plays, 41 yards, FG (got to 2nd and 6 at the 24 then went backwards 5 yards and kicked the FG)
  • 4 plays, 79 yards, TD
  • 3 plays, 6 yards, punt


In that first half the Buckeye defense did what was asked of them.  They stopped Michigan from running the ball.  I think Michigan had 10 yards on 11 carries in the first half.  They did give up two long passing TD's because they were crowding the line so if a guy got behind the defense or broke a tackle it was a TD but that is the trade-off for completely stopping Michigan's running game.  

Not counting the two yard loss to kneel down at the end of the first half, tOSU outgained M 322-204 in the first half.  The problem is efficiency.  Michigan scored 17 points on 204 yards (1 point per 12 yards).  Ohio State scored 20 points on 322 yards (1 point per 16.1 yards).  The Ohio State offense was mostly productive in the first half but they just didn't get enough points for their efforts.  If they'd have operated at the efficiency of the Michigan offense (1 points per 12 yards) they'd have had roughly 27 points.  Turning the two FG's into TD's would have given the Buckeyes a two-score lead at 28-17.  

As much criticism as there has been of Jim Knowles apparent Don Brown impersonation, I have to assume that the Buckeyes would have backed into a more normal defense if they had managed to achieve a lead large enough that they would have been in a position to trade yards for time.  If Ohio State scores another seven or eight points in the first half they are just about there entering the third quarter.  

Then there is the Buckeyes offense in the second half.  They scored three freaking points.  Yes, the defense gave up 28 but only 14 of those were while the game was still reasonably contested.  What happened after that is academic.  

I really don't blame Stroud / the offense for the picks on the last two possessions.  Those had more to do with the desperate game situation than anything else.  It makes sense to play fast-and-loose when you are in a desperate situation because you really don't have anything to lose.  The problem came before that.  On the second half drives the Buckeyes had:
  • 5 plays, 17 yards, punt
  • 3 plays, 9 yards, punt
  • 3 plays, 7 yards, punt
  • 7 plays, 52 yards, FG
  • 10 plays, 59 yards, INT
  • 4 plays, 12 yards, INT
By the time the offense finally got in gear in the second half the damage had already been done.  The 52 yard FG drive cut the lead to 8 but it was still a bad situation.  On Michigan's first four drives of the second half they did have two TD's but the other two were a three-and-out and a missed FG.  If Ohio State's offense had done AMYTHING with their first three drives (even just a FG) it would have been a game.  

Stroud threw for 349 yards and Ohio State ran for almost 150 at 4.9 per carry.  How the F do you manage to gain almost 500 yards of offense without scoring 24 points?  For the game Michigan ended up with 45 points on 530 yards while Ohio State ended up with 23 points on 492 yards.  Michigan scored one point every 11.8 yards, Ohio State scored one point every 21.4 yards.  


My conclusion is that while you can maybe blame the loss on the defense, the blowout is on the offense.  If the offense had simply scored an average amount of points per yard it would have been a tight game to the end.  Then it is anybodys game to win and I'll take those odds with Stroud as my QB and Marvin Harrison as my #1 WR.  

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« Reply #118 on: November 29, 2022, 12:44:38 PM »
There is one place where I really do think the tOSU defense majorly screwed up.  

I've seen a lot of M guys post "M won without their best player on offense" and while this is true, Ohio State's failure to capitalize on Corum's absence effectively made Corum's absence irrelevant.  

Once it was apparent that Corum wasn't a go, the Buckeyes should have dropped their 9-in-the-box defense and forced Michigan to prove they could run without him.  Since Ohio State didn't, Corum's absence was largely irrelevant.  

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« Reply #119 on: November 29, 2022, 12:55:30 PM »
I'm coming back to my theme that the problem Saturday wasn't the defense, it was the offense.  Yes, the defense wasn't perfect but they played well enough to win, the offense didn't. 

Things that happen at the end of games can skew the stats and give a misleading picture.  Michigan's rushing on Saturday is a great example of this.  For the game Michigan had 35 carries for 252 yards and 3 TD's on an average of 7.2 per carry.  It sounds like they ran it down tOSU's throat all game long.  The thing is that Michigan's last two TD's were runs of 75 and 85 yards.  Take those away and Michigan's rushing totals were 33 carries for 92 yards and 1 TD on an average of 2.8 per carry. 

Now I know that you can't just subtract a couple plays and say "see, great!".  However, I don't blame the defense for what happened on those two plays.  The defense took a calculated risk that they HAD to take based on the situation in the game. 

The situation:
Ohio State kicked a FG to make it a one-score game at 31-23.  That IS a one score game but it requires a LOT.  Ohio State has to stop Michigan, score a TD, make the two point conversion, and win in OT.  Michigan got the ball on the 25 from a touchback after the FG.  The ball was snapped with 7:11 remaining.  In theory tOSU could give up a first down or two and still get the ball back with enough time to score but that puts EVERYTHING on the 2 point conversion.  What Ohio State really needs here is a three-and-out.  Even at that, Michigan will likely burn 1-1/2 to 2 minutes just running three times so IF Ohio State forces a three-and-out they likely get the ball back with a little over five minutes to play.  By forcing a three-and-out Ohio State would potentially have an insurance policy in case they fail to convert the 2 point conversion. 

Thus, I simply don't blame Knowles / the defense for putting basically everybody on the line in this situation.  They feel like they almost HAVE to get a three-and-out so there really isn't any point in having a layered defense that could have tackled Edwards 15-20 yards down the field because once he gets the first down the game is almost certainly lost anyway so lets fight to stop him cold. 

The second situation:
This one isn't even debatable.  Michigan was up by two scores (15 points, 38-23) and got the ball from an INT at their own 8.  The first down snap was with 4:11 to go and they gained six yards.  At this point the game is almost certainly lost no matter what but the only chance Ohio State has is to force a three-and-out and get the ball back with MAYBE 2 minutes left needing two TD's, one XP, and a 2pt conversion.  At that point you HAVE to stack the line and they did:

  • 1st and 10 at the 8 with 4:11 to go, Edwards for 6
  • 2nd and 4 at the 14 with 3:31 to go, Edwards for 1
  • 3rd and 3 at the 15 with 3:19 to go (after a tOSU timeout), Edwards for an 85 yard TD. 
The TD there matters for style points but as far as the outcome of the game is concerned Ohio State's last remotely plausible chance was gone as soon as Edwards crossed the 18 and had the first down.  At that point there was <3 minutes to go, Michigan led by two scores, and tOSU had already used at least one timeout.  Whether Edwards gets tackled at the Michigan 20 for a five yard gain or runs 80 more yards for a TD is completely irrelevant.  Ohio State's last chance evaporated when he crossed the 18.  Everything after that is academic. 

Per the above, I really don't blame the tOSU defense for the above two plays because they simply took a calculated risk that they HAD to take based on the game situation. 

Here is why I blame the offense:
In the first half the buckeyes had the following drives:
  • 12 plays, 81 yards, TD
  • 10 plays, 58 yards, FG (got to 1st and 10 at the M 15, gained one yard on three plays and kicked the FG)
  • 8 plays, 36 yards, downs (got to 4th and 2 at the M 34 and failed to pick it up)
  • 4 plays, 21 yards, punt
  • 6 plays, 41 yards, FG (got to 2nd and 6 at the 24 then went backwards 5 yards and kicked the FG)
  • 4 plays, 79 yards, TD
  • 3 plays, 6 yards, punt


In that first half the Buckeye defense did what was asked of them.  They stopped Michigan from running the ball.  I think Michigan had 10 yards on 11 carries in the first half.  They did give up two long passing TD's because they were crowding the line so if a guy got behind the defense or broke a tackle it was a TD but that is the trade-off for completely stopping Michigan's running game. 

Not counting the two yard loss to kneel down at the end of the first half, tOSU outgained M 322-204 in the first half.  The problem is efficiency.  Michigan scored 17 points on 204 yards (1 point per 12 yards).  Ohio State scored 20 points on 322 yards (1 point per 16.1 yards).  The Ohio State offense was mostly productive in the first half but they just didn't get enough points for their efforts.  If they'd have operated at the efficiency of the Michigan offense (1 points per 12 yards) they'd have had roughly 27 points.  Turning the two FG's into TD's would have given the Buckeyes a two-score lead at 28-17. 

As much criticism as there has been of Jim Knowles apparent Don Brown impersonation, I have to assume that the Buckeyes would have backed into a more normal defense if they had managed to achieve a lead large enough that they would have been in a position to trade yards for time.  If Ohio State scores another seven or eight points in the first half they are just about there entering the third quarter. 

Then there is the Buckeyes offense in the second half.  They scored three freaking points.  Yes, the defense gave up 28 but only 14 of those were while the game was still reasonably contested.  What happened after that is academic. 

I really don't blame Stroud / the offense for the picks on the last two possessions.  Those had more to do with the desperate game situation than anything else.  It makes sense to play fast-and-loose when you are in a desperate situation because you really don't have anything to lose.  The problem came before that.  On the second half drives the Buckeyes had:
  • 5 plays, 17 yards, punt
  • 3 plays, 9 yards, punt
  • 3 plays, 7 yards, punt
  • 7 plays, 52 yards, FG
  • 10 plays, 59 yards, INT
  • 4 plays, 12 yards, INT
By the time the offense finally got in gear in the second half the damage had already been done.  The 52 yard FG drive cut the lead to 8 but it was still a bad situation.  On Michigan's first four drives of the second half they did have two TD's but the other two were a three-and-out and a missed FG.  If Ohio State's offense had done AMYTHING with their first three drives (even just a FG) it would have been a game. 

Stroud threw for 349 yards and Ohio State ran for almost 150 at 4.9 per carry.  How the F do you manage to gain almost 500 yards of offense without scoring 24 points?  For the game Michigan ended up with 45 points on 530 yards while Ohio State ended up with 23 points on 492 yards.  Michigan scored one point every 11.8 yards, Ohio State scored one point every 21.4 yards. 


My conclusion is that while you can maybe blame the loss on the defense, the blowout is on the offense.  If the offense had simply scored an average amount of points per yard it would have been a tight game to the end.  Then it is anybodys game to win and I'll take those odds with Stroud as my QB and Marvin Harrison as my #1 WR. 
You have to give credit to Michigan’s defense here. And, this is where Day did choke a bit.
For most of the day, UM was set up to prevent big plays.  They had Harrison bracketed nearly every play.  But OSU has seen that multiple times this season. Why was it a surprise?  Why did Day- a very talented offensive mind- have better plan to attack it?
And- this where Harbaugh and hi staff deserve credit, and Day and his deserve criticism.  As the game moved along and UM stayed close and even took the lead, their players played with growing confidence.  OSU- the opposite.  Dropped passes, PI calls, easy assignments missed, personal fouls etc.  that might be the most self inflicted errors we have seen from them all year. And in their most important game. 

Much like the.  Cooper years- they were wound too tight.  They shriveled.    That is coaching and culture. 
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« Reply #120 on: November 29, 2022, 01:09:19 PM »
There is one place where I really do think the tOSU defense majorly screwed up. 

I've seen a lot of M guys post "M won without their best player on offense" and while this is true, Ohio State's failure to capitalize on Corum's absence effectively made Corum's absence irrelevant. 

Once it was apparent that Corum wasn't a go, the Buckeyes should have dropped their 9-in-the-box defense and forced Michigan to prove they could run without him.  Since Ohio State didn't, Corum's absence was largely irrelevant. 
I will go further.  It actually worked to UMs advantage mentally. 

Just like you could see clearly on the television set, when Corum left and Michigan clearly could not run the ball, they looked openly dejected on their sideline wow the Ohio State fans and players were openly excited about that.

When JJ hit that simple out pass under pressure and Cam Brown missed that much-needed tackle, that Michigan touchdown totally devastated the Ohio State bench and totally lifted the Michigan team.  That’s really where the mental collapse started.  You can see it clearly with your own eyes and the announcers even talked about it.
nearly all of my friends are Michigan people and we’re texting me and we’re so dejected until that play.

and that place is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Cam Brown has been taught to play one of three ways in man coverage. First bump and run which has its risks but does force the quarterback to be extremely accurate or extremely good at back shoulder throws.
Two, soft coverage so on third and nine or whatever it was you back up to the line to gain and keep your eyes on the receiver especially since you know we sent a major blitz in there the ball is going to come out fast.  Third is the “bail“ technique.  This is the only one that would be unacceptable in that situation and I can assure you was not taught by the coaching staff. That’s where you bail and just get deep so the receiver can’t beat you deep, and that’s exactly what Cam Brown did and why there was plenty of time for Cornelius Johnson to not only catch the ball but make an easy escape move in the open field and get the touchdown. Brown simply panicked- didn’t trust his training. 

I could give you so many more examples like that that I saw even more as the game went on. The touchdown to their tight end is one example where the player did not do what he’s done all year and did not trust his training. He completely panicked.  The deep middle shot to Cornelius Johnson, I can assure you Cam Martinez is way better than that and simply panicked.  The ball Stroud through into the end zone towards Egbuka. We have seen that numerous times this season and Egbuka is smart enough to sit down in the gap where the ball was and had to be thrown. But for whatever reason he panicked and extended his route to a place where he wasn’t open and there was no chance to catch that ball.  The play that Sainrestril made on Stover.  Great play no doubt. But Stover juggled that perfect throw, allowing time for that play to be made. He did not normally juggle those kind of catches all season but for whatever reason he was very panicked. 
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« Reply #121 on: November 29, 2022, 01:21:20 PM »
I get it  Nubbz.  He has lost 2 straight to the arch rival.  And, you can make a good argument that this last one was purely a choke job coaching.  Many national writers have.  It is fair criticism.

How many years did it take Harbaugh to figure out how to beat his rival?  7!    What is his win %  against them?  28%.  What is Day’s?  33%

Your talking about a coach who is 45-5, 2 Big Ten Tiles in 4 years, and 2 CFP appearances. 

Harbaugh did great- his team was confident but loose.  Because he was playing with house money. He did a great job of conveying that to his players, and a great job game planning. 

Day and his players came in confident, but tense as hell.  The pressure, much of it self imposed, was on him- and unfortunately he did a great job of conveying that to his players. 

Day actually did a good job of game planning as did Knowles-but unfortunately panicked when adversity hit and failed to make adjustments.

It happens.  They will learn from it.

Tip your hat to the guy who just kicked your butt. Then do the things you need to do to fix the screw ups and try to improve. 
Apples/Oranges,I want the very same thing as you and the rest of the fans.And Athletic Dept is paying thru the nose to get it,there is no apprenticeship at 9.5 per. Last year was a shoulder shrug,this past Saturday a WTF & a GTFO.DAY had no HC experience coming in,Harbaugh had plenty.What unfolded saturday is inexcusable,had one year,the weather,the crowd & O-Line delivered in spades and as you pointed he turtled,no adjustments,insights,improvising. If he took a pay cut then fine it might keep him hungry.And I tell Gene Smith act like your job depends on it as it just might. You don't turn a blind eye or the other cheek to to these faux pas

He is winning 90% of his games, but most adequate coaches can win at that rate with our talent and schedule. We have played 7 games where he has coached against top 10 competition:
2019 Clemson: Loss
2020 Clemson: Win!
2020 Bama: Loss
2021 Oregon: Loss
2021 TTUN: Loss
2021 Utah: Win
2022 TTUN: Loss
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« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2022, 01:26:51 PM »
I’ve read some OSU forums and Facebook groups today. A few times I saw people calling Stroud “soft” for not running more. I think some people have lost their mind. Stroud is one of the best in the game in my opinion.
kid is an ultra talented QB. doesn't have the strongest arm ever but his arm strength is definitely very good. what separates him is his accuracy and ball placement- he's elite there. he's a better athlete than people give him credit for as well- he can run a little bit- he's not a statue- he just doesn't run that often. 

unfortunately every QB in this rivalry can be judged unfairly- they are judged off one game. did you beat Ohio State if you're from Michigan, and did you beat Michigan if you're from Ohio State? Kid put up record setting numbers in his two years as a starter and went something like 23-3 as a starter- but because he's lost to Michigan twice he's going to have to deal with idiots bashing him saying he's not good. you'll see just how good he is when he's a top 5 NFL Draft pick. newsflash: he's pretty f'n good. 

Teams win/lose. OSU didn't break any big runs on offense to help the passing game out. And the defense gave up huge play after huge play. That's not CJ Stroud's fault. 

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« Reply #123 on: November 29, 2022, 01:32:16 PM »
I definitely don't view Stroud as the reason tOSU lost that game.  That dude's a baller.


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« Reply #124 on: November 29, 2022, 01:33:14 PM »
And Athletic Dept is paying thru the nose to get it,there is no apprenticeship at 9.5 per.
no need to worry about the $$$
it's out the door
would you rather be paying 5 mill and losing?

still a crazy number
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« Reply #125 on: November 29, 2022, 01:35:31 PM »
When JJ hit that simple out pass under pressure and Cam Brown missed that much-needed tackle, that Michigan touchdown totally devastated the Ohio State bench and totally lifted the Michigan team.  That’s really where the mental collapse started.  You can see it clearly with your own eyes and the announcers even talked about it.
yeah, there was nothing simple about that pass from JJ. He threw it on a 3rd and 9 while he got lit up off his back foot and let it rip from his own 20 yard line and threw a laser on a rope on a dime roughly 26 yards across the field and 20 yards down the field - that takes serious arm strength to be able to make that throw without having your feet set. JJ got a cannon. 

OSU DB whiffed on the tackle baaaaad and it's a TD. But that's what happens when you play cover 0 all day long with no safety help. Someone misses a tackle after the catch or gets in the wrong gap on run D- house call. 

Knowles never got out of it. Kept playing it like a stubborn bastard. Shades of Don Brown for sure. Looking for a scapegoat, I think it's him. Probably a bad idea to hire a defensive co-ordinator for the Big 12, a conference known for playing absolutely no defense. If I'm Ryan Day I am trying to go all in through back channels to snag Jim Leonhard to be my DC in 2023.

 

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