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Topic: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)

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MaximumSam

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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #294 on: November 24, 2024, 06:41:39 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 24, 2024, 06:38:15 PM
Because I've watched both Texas and IU play this year, and I don't think IU would be winning the "close" games that Texas has.  As has been stated, they look like a 15-20ish kind of team.  Texas is much closer to Ohio State and Oregon, than to Indiana.  And we saw what Ohio State did to them.

Just my opinion of course, but I'm comfortable with it.
I guess but Texas has one win within single digits, which was at Vandy. The same number as Indiana.
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #295 on: November 24, 2024, 06:43:14 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 24, 2024, 06:41:39 PM
I guess but Texas has one win within single digits, which was at Vandy. The same number as Indiana.
Before yesterday Texas' SOS was 38 and Indiana's was 104 or something.  You can try to pretend they've played similar schedules but the stats don't support that.
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #296 on: November 24, 2024, 06:48:41 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 24, 2024, 06:43:14 PM
Before yesterday Texas' SOS was 38 and Indiana's was 104 or something.  You can try to pretend they've played similar schedules but the stats don't support that.
After yesterday Texas was at 36 and Indiana was at 51, at least on ESPN. I'm not arguing Texas hasn't played a bit tougher schedule, but I don't think there is any argument that both teams have played one elite team and a bunch of also rans, with Texas's a bit better than Indiana's. 
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #297 on: November 24, 2024, 06:52:57 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 24, 2024, 06:48:41 PM
After yesterday Texas was at 36 and Indiana was at 51, at least on ESPN. I'm not arguing Texas hasn't played a bit tougher schedule, but I don't think there is any argument that both teams have played one elite team and a bunch of also rans, with Texas's a bit better than Indiana's.
I mean, I can argue that Indiana would have lost a couple on Texas' schedule that Texas didn't lose.  In fact that's exactly what I'm arguing.

You can certainly disagree with that, but, you're not going to make a compelling argument to me.
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #298 on: November 24, 2024, 06:57:12 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 24, 2024, 06:52:57 PM
I mean, I can argue that Indiana would have lost a couple on Texas' schedule that Texas didn't lose.  In fact that's exactly what I'm arguing.

You can certainly disagree with that, but, you're not going to make a compelling argument to me.
Well, to put it differently, Indiana would be favored over every single Texas opponent besides Georgia. So by the numbers, Indiana and Texas would have the same record. 
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #299 on: November 24, 2024, 06:59:50 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 24, 2024, 06:57:12 PM
Well, to put it differently, Indiana would be favored over every single Texas opponent besides Georgia. So by the numbers, Indiana and Texas would have the same record.

That's what happens when a team is overrated, they get favored in games they shouldn't be, and then they lose those games. 

What part of my stance do you not understand?  I'll state it plainly-- I believe Texas is a significantly better team than Indiana.  I believe Texas is as much better than Indiana, as Ohio State is.  I believe Indiana would have lost one or two of the games that Texas won.

Again, you can disagree with my opinion, but you're not going to make a compelling argument to me.
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #300 on: November 24, 2024, 07:06:41 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 24, 2024, 06:59:50 PM
That's what happens when a team is overrated, they get favored in games they shouldn't be, and then they lose those games.

What part of my stance do you not understand?  I'll state it plainly-- I believe Texas is a significantly better team than Indiana.  I believe Texas is as much better than Indiana, as Ohio State is.  I believe Indiana would have lost one or two of the games that Texas won.

Again, you can disagree with my opinion, but you're not going to make a compelling argument to me.
You just don't have any numbers that support you. 
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #301 on: November 24, 2024, 07:09:59 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 24, 2024, 07:06:41 PM
You just don't have any numbers that support you.
So what?  It's college football, not the global macroeconomy.
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #302 on: November 24, 2024, 07:11:30 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 24, 2024, 07:09:59 PM
So what?  It's college football, not the global macroeconomy.
It just means I already made the compelling argument, you just don't want to accept it ;)
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #303 on: November 24, 2024, 07:17:01 PM »
There are no compelling stats.  Talking about betting line favorites in a game?  Not compelling.
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #304 on: November 24, 2024, 07:18:33 PM »
I’ve got a fun exercise….lets see how many Texas players are drafted in the first 3 rounds and drafted overall in the next two drafts vs IU and my gut tells me there’s going to be a lot more Texas players in all instances. 
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #305 on: November 24, 2024, 07:18:35 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 24, 2024, 07:17:01 PM
There are no compelling stats.  Talking about betting line favorites in a game?  Not compelling.

Vegas employs a lot of people 
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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #306 on: November 24, 2024, 07:19:51 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 24, 2024, 07:18:35 PM
Vegas employs a lot of people
"Vegas" isn't predicting outcomes, they're setting lines to get even betting on each side so the house makes money both ways.  This has always been among the silliest arguments sports fans choose to engage in.  I'll leave you to it.

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Re: The Death Star Comes to Columbus (SOC Week 13)
« Reply #307 on: November 24, 2024, 07:21:03 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 24, 2024, 07:18:33 PM
I’ve got a fun exercise….lets see how many Texas players are drafted in the first 3 rounds and drafted overall in the next two drafts vs IU and my gut tells me there’s going to be a lot more Texas players in all instances.
I've got an even more fun exercise - if you are starting a team tomorrow, are you hiring Sark or Cignetti? And I'm not being cheeky - I think it would be a fun exercise. Both are great coaches.
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